Why some aspie here seem to give a d*mn about issues.

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TheMachine1
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02 Jan 2007, 10:32 am

I got this theory mostly base on myself so it likely total crap.

First I assume all young people are more idealistic than older people. Second I assume since many aspies have reduced empathy for individial people in their lives
they replace that with empathy for a "cause célèbre" such as Middle East issues,
religion, etc.

Myself I have just in the last year realized I'm not passionate about issues anymore.
I attribute that to growing old in mind set (I'm 36). Though I am some what a hypocrite to because I have replace all my past passion on issues with a single one
science. So I assume science is the ultimate truth (an I think that) so I'm just like I
was when I was young and cared about political issues/religion but now I have
idealistic trust in science. While I feel its the truth I'm sure everybody here feels their
ideas are truth to.

Basically I'm going to be honest and say I'm full of sh*t. But I bet very few of you will
say that. The only truth is I do not know the truth. The only thing that matters is nothing(and sex, drugs and rock-n-roll).



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02 Jan 2007, 11:14 am

Thats a fair statement to make. I, myself, despise science and prefer to think that the 'earthy' beliefs are best (Native to Buddhism/Hinduism). Mainly because science has failed in my life where natural 'remedy' has not (pills versus meditation).



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02 Jan 2007, 11:27 am

Yep, thats where I stand. When you've been through an assload of s**t behaviour, you don't bow down to help the cripple who just fell. People bite the hand that feeds. Therefore, if a man hits your right cheek, SMASH his other.

Saddam was executed, I didn't give a crap. I don't care if he killed a million people. If I was one of them, no one in the western would would grieve over my death. Instead, people feed on the hatred to fight fire with fire. It is not the true empathy that drives their vengeance, but an excuse to kill back.

Once I realized that humanity is a pile of s**t, I grew to be a stronger person.



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02 Jan 2007, 11:40 am

I think we give a s**t about politics because we find it interesting. I cannot claim to know the truth, I do might think that I know more than my opponent, but I cannot know truth in its entirety. I will disagree with you on the last part though, the only thing that matters is the idea to the individual, nothing matters is blatantly untrue as we can see throughout our lives that many things matter to different individuals. I do trust science to a good extent, I just am not sure whether or not our existence as social creatures can really be properly put down as science due to the lack of ability to analyze the whole of social existence. We cannot run an experiment without a laboratory. I will admit, even with that said, certain facts about the world can be evidence for certain conclusions.



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02 Jan 2007, 11:53 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
I will disagree with you on the last part though, the only thing that matters is the idea to the individual, nothing matters is blatantly untrue as we can see throughout our lives that many things matter to different .


Very little matters to me anymore and I think that conflict comes from people caring about matters. Yeah no doubt things matter to people here. Thats why I posted this.
To say I'm not one of you anymore.



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02 Jan 2007, 12:12 pm

nothing matters but the endless matter.

i would tend to agree with corvus, in as much as science (at least in the sense of mainstream, contemporary scientific thought) is vastly overrated, whereas nature is very much underrated. however i do agree to some extent with your assertion that nothing matters. and i also would not hesitate either to state that i am full of s**t. :D


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02 Jan 2007, 12:26 pm

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Once I realized that humanity is a pile of s**t, I grew to be a stronger person.


Oddly enough, so did I.

I dont like admitting "I'm full of s**t" when I think the other persons sole intention is for me to admit that. It makes it seem that I am wrong and they are right and takes away from the discussion.

When I have a belief, and there is a belief in everything, then I tend to defend it. If the belief is destroyed, then through a bit of pain, I will adapt and change it. I'm not open minded in the sense I will take in everything and except it ALL on equal terms. I do not do that because its, in my opinion, empty. I will always listen to the other side and work with it (at least I 'try' to).



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02 Jan 2007, 2:13 pm

Eheheh, this is why I have difficulty arguing, and I'm coming to believe it's why I feel so empty.

I, personally, don't truly believe in anything at the moment. Is there a God? Possibly, but who cares? Is this government "more right" than that? I don't have a true side, so I just kind of linger in the void. It's a little depressing, because I don't get excited about things. It seems like nothing really matters.

But then, if everyone were like this, we'd probably never have wars. If no one cared about anything, and just kind of lived stuck in the middle, what point would there be in fighting? We'd probably all just walk around like zombies.

I dunno, I'm just rambling. But my point is that while I can agree that people are influenced by what they believe in (in this case, politics and the difference between what's right and wrong), I think there are many who don't know what to believe. I suppose I could do better with a little guidance, but since that hasn't come around (and I'm certainly not the sort to go looking for it) I'll be stuck in the middle for a while longer. Anyone care to join me?



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02 Jan 2007, 3:30 pm

I dont agree there would be no wars.. if no one had anything to believe in they wouldnt get up in the morning - whats the point.. Well, maybe you're right

Perhaps try Buddhism - it doesnt rely on a god but rather the feeling of life or something. I dont follow it, nothing more then meditating, but that, in itself, provided me with something to believe in (I was never a spiritual person until last year). I, as well, did not 'seek it' knowingly. I kind of compare what I've done with what Buddha has done - gone off on my own to discover the truth. Maybe care about the truth? I think truth is what will help stop war, to some degree, but who knows for certain, aye? :wink:



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02 Jan 2007, 10:33 pm

Most people cannot handle the truth though. Remember, they are emotional thinkers. Realising the truth means admitting to their own faults, no matter what group(s) they choose to classify themselves under. Because the truth knows no bias.



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02 Jan 2007, 11:08 pm

I like politics because someone has to stand up and at least try to fix the world while the lazy idiots ruin it. Humanity is indeed corrupt, I believe most humans are too narrow-minded and stupid. (Well, at least in the US) I fight because it's the only thing I know how to do, I couldn't sit it out if I wanted.



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02 Jan 2007, 11:18 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
First I assume all young people are more idealistic than older people. Second I assume since many aspies have reduced empathy for individial people in their lives they replace that with empathy for a "cause célèbre" such as Middle East issues, religion, etc.

Myself I have just in the last year realized I'm not passionate about issues anymore. I attribute that to growing old in mind set (I'm 36).

I too am less passionate about most specific issues, but I think it is partly being able to appreciate a longer time frame. For example there was a topic here "what do you think of the Russian Revolution". I think that nearly 100 years later, it wouldn't have mattered what happened, Russia would be more or less the same today.


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03 Jan 2007, 12:10 am

snake321 wrote:
Most people cannot handle the truth though. Remember, they are emotional thinkers. Realising the truth means admitting to their own faults, no matter what group(s) they choose to classify themselves under. Because the truth knows no bias.


God, don't get me started. My friend said 'telling the truth will get you in trouble' and that 'people will be offended' so, essentially, I should lie.

After thinking about that, I get offended when people lie to me. I know he'd respond with 'ya, but you're minority' and I'd say 'so what?' and he'd say 'thats life' and I'd say 'So, then they can hear the truth - thats what sucks - its life'



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03 Jan 2007, 4:31 am

Flagg wrote:
I like politics because someone has to stand up and at least try to fix the world while the lazy idiots ruin it.


Thats part of my theory those standing up to fix the world are the ones that are causing the conflict. The lazy idiots like myself are not causing the conflict.



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03 Jan 2007, 7:39 am

I agree with that statement. I am also one of those "nobody" people who don't cause or solve any problems(both political and non-political).
Heck I just exist...



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03 Jan 2007, 11:10 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
Flagg wrote:
I like politics because someone has to stand up and at least try to fix the world while the lazy idiots ruin it.


Thats part of my theory those standing up to fix the world are the ones that are causing the conflict. The lazy idiots like myself are not causing the conflict.


This is a general statement. It depends on HOW they are trying to fix it - removing 'force' or 'adding' to it