Bastrop High School's depraved administration

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25 Aug 2011, 11:21 pm

This is blood-boiling idiocy, hypocrisy, and brutality. Honestly, how can anyone with children disown them over sticking up for their rights?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZynOGhRDkM[/youtube]

The narrow-mindness, lynch mob mentality, and cruel administration of Bastrop are all infuriating - these people shouldn't be running schools, and it reflects poorly on educational employment standards in that state. Mitzi Quinn is a shameful excuse for a human being and so are Fowler's parents, HOW DARE YOU. Valuing your little Christo-Fascist ideology over your own son, truly an example of how unhealthy many of these Far-Right Christian Fundie father-led families are (I guess there being a religious exemption in anti-child abuse legislation in some Southern States makes it easy).

This gets to another problem. Christianity started out as a religion of the persecuted, Jesus instructing people to pray in private and "render unto Ceasar" (secular authorities). Why is it that modern day Fundies throw hissy fits whenever their religious IDOLS aren't plastered over public buildings (and why do they violate a commandment about graven images and then insist the commandments be plastered over Court Houses everywhere?)? Surely, you're the majority, you can freely practice your religion and even pray in school individually (teachers can't lead or endorse prayers, but students are allowed to pray in their head before class). Surely, isn't that enough for your supposedly pacifistic, meek, and mild religion?

I know, most of Jesus's words contradict other things he said. Jesus (or, the Gospel writers who fictionalized what, in all probability, was a bipolar carpenter in the Middle East) was the master of MIXED MESSAGES. Still, you'd think Fundies would display a little less entitlement when it comes to breaking the law.

For some depth on Damon Fowler:

http://iantimberlake.wordpress.com/2011 ... and-state/

And to learn of the college trust fund some online fundraising created for him, see

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... ler-money/


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25 Aug 2011, 11:45 pm

The kid was being a jerk but didn't do anything illegal or against school rules.

The school should have reigned in the antagonists better. It was a little late for disciplinary action for the graduating seniors but the school still should have squashed their threats. Going ahead with the prayer was cool though, because like I said, the kid was just being a jerk.

If he was 18, his parents were not obligated to let him stay, though I'm not sure if any state/local eviction laws were violated. So unless there was any eviction law violated, his parents didn't do anything wrong even if they were total jerks.

Unless anyone in the community made threats or publicly said anything that was deliberately false to smear him, they also are just being jerks.

I don't think I'd want to know any of those people.


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26 Aug 2011, 10:21 am

Well, the U.S. South is known to be full of Fundamentalists; this is what they do. It disgusts me, and it's definitely unconstitutional, but I have a feeling they're going to keep on trying because, if anyone tries to stop them, they just feel "persecuted" and inclined to do it more.



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26 Aug 2011, 6:47 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Well, the U.S. South is known to be full of Fundamentalists; this is what they do. It disgusts me, and it's definitely unconstitutional, but I have a feeling they're going to keep on trying because, if anyone tries to stop them, they just feel "persecuted" and inclined to do it more.


While I agree the south has its share of fundamentalists, the North East and West Coast does as well they are known as secular progressives.



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26 Aug 2011, 8:03 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
This is blood-boiling idiocy, hypocrisy, and brutality. Honestly, how can anyone with children disown them over sticking up for their rights?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZynOGhRDkM[/youtube]

The narrow-mindness, lynch mob mentality, and cruel administration of Bastrop are all infuriating - these people shouldn't be running schools, and it reflects poorly on educational employment standards in that state. Mitzi Quinn is a shameful excuse for a human being and so are Fowler's parents, HOW DARE YOU. Valuing your little Christo-Fascist ideology over your own son, truly an example of how unhealthy many of these Far-Right Christian Fundie father-led families are (I guess there being a religious exemption in anti-child abuse legislation in some Southern States makes it easy).


The part in bold(mine not yours of course) is unnecessary as the information is irrelevant and potentially misleading(to idiots). It is the fundamental nature that makes the families so unhealthy.



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26 Aug 2011, 10:12 pm

Sounds like the parents did the kid a favor by kicking him out. Stupid people working in and attending schools (sadly) doesn't raise these eyebrows, but disowning your kid over something like this gets my attention. 27k for school and getting away from that environment doesn't sound like a bad deal at all.


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27 Aug 2011, 5:11 pm

John_Browning wrote:
The kid was being a jerk but didn't do anything illegal or against school rules.


Which kid?

John_Browning wrote:
The school should have reigned in the antagonists better. It was a little late for disciplinary action for the graduating seniors but the school still should have squashed their threats. Going ahead with the prayer was cool though, because like I said, the kid was just being a jerk.


I'm going to take this as saying that the student standing up for the law was being "a jerk". I beg to differ; he was being a patriot.

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If he was 18, his parents were not obligated to let him stay, though I'm not sure if any state/local eviction laws were violated. So unless there was any eviction law violated, his parents didn't do anything wrong even if they were total jerks.


Law or no law, disowning your own children immediately after they stand up for the law, is morally wrong. Fowlers parents are four carrot a**holes.

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Unless anyone in the community made threats or publicly said anything that was deliberately false to smear him, they also are just being jerks.


Uh, there were actually quite a few threats directly made and outsider organizations indicated that Fowler's safety was so compromised that extra security had to be added to the graduation.


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27 Aug 2011, 10:14 pm

I don't know the exact content of the e-mail, so I cannot say whether this student was being a jerk or not. I mean, saying that something is unconstitutional is a factual claim and pointing out a factual claim is hardly rude in this context. I mean... most of the people here have done this in contexts where it would be considered plainly wrong. Webster is not presented as doing anything senseless. I don't know if he was "being a patriot" as we are not presented enough to know his real position or motivations or anything else like that. The source used doesn't give us text from the e-mail and clearly has a skew.

The reaction however, is overblown by any metric from the information presented. The source certainly appears to be biased in its presentation, but... there are certain facts that are ridiculous in this presentation. Even further, Webster's opinion alone isn't the issue stopping the school so much as the legal issues involved with the situation. Presents disowning him is a cruel reaction. Threats are a cruel reaction, and... well.... illegal. I mean, I bet many of these angry expressions are ways people blow off steam, but it isn't a sign of being "good Christians" in any sense, so it shows the hypocritical joke this crusade is. I don't take the attempted reading of scripture used here that powerfully though. First of all, the case doesn't need anything like that. Secondly though, if we took that interpretation seriously, we'd have to say Christianity was against community prayers(and no tradition says that), instead the injunction is against false appearance of holiness. These prayers are meant to give thanks as a community on a special day... or should be.(Frankly, the behavior here is just without theological justification. These people are just a**holes who want to pray and.... for unclear reasons at that given their lack of concern for meaning.)



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27 Aug 2011, 11:12 pm

... must be the sister-city of Grand Ledge, Michigan ...


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28 Aug 2011, 12:36 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
The kid was being a jerk but didn't do anything illegal or against school rules.


Which kid?

The atheist kid.

Master_Pedant wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
The school should have reigned in the antagonists better. It was a little late for disciplinary action for the graduating seniors but the school still should have squashed their threats. Going ahead with the prayer was cool though, because like I said, the kid was just being a jerk.


I'm going to take this as saying that the student standing up for the law was being "a jerk". I beg to differ; he was being a patriot.

He was trying to impose minority rule (apparently a minority of one). He had the option to not participate in the prayer but he decided instead to try and ruin it for everyone else.

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John_Browning wrote:
If he was 18, his parents were not obligated to let him stay, though I'm not sure if any state/local eviction laws were violated. So unless there was any eviction law violated, his parents didn't do anything wrong even if they were total jerks.


Law or no law, disowning your own children immediately after they stand up for the law, is morally wrong. Fowlers parents are four carrot a**holes.

Like I said, I don't think I would want to meet anybody that was in this story.

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Unless anyone in the community made threats or publicly said anything that was deliberately false to smear him, they also are just being jerks.


Master_Pedant wrote:
Uh, there were actually quite a few threats directly made and outsider organizations indicated that Fowler's safety was so compromised that extra security had to be added to the graduation.

Depending on what kind of threats, the individuals that made them, should have been seriously chewed out by the school, pulled from the graduation ceremony, or referred to police. If they tried to defame his character, then they are civilly liable, but it would be the atheist kid's job to take them to court. Once again, I wouldn't want to meet any of these people.


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28 Aug 2011, 1:01 am

John_Browning wrote:
He was trying to impose minority rule (apparently a minority of one). He had the option to not participate in the prayer but he decided instead to try and ruin it for everyone else.

From my understanding, he believed that this was illegal and in violation of the Establishment clause of the 1st Amendment. That hardly makes him a jerk. The only way to arrive at the conclusion that he was a jerk is to have knowledge of the content and belligerence of his e-mail, but from the video, there is nothing that suggests he was trying to be mean or oppressive. However, he could have been a jerk. I'd rather withhold that judgment until later, as while it is clear that the parties defining themselves as Christian were jerks, Damon's method is not as clear.



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28 Aug 2011, 1:56 am

Believe in our god or suffer vast consequences. Sounds like Christianity alright. Sounds like Islam and Judaism too, but considering this is a Christian issue...let's stick with that.

Saying the Lord's Prayer at a football event? That's downright creepy.



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28 Aug 2011, 12:33 pm

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He was trying to impose minority rule (apparently a minority of one). He had the option to not participate in the prayer but he decided instead to try and ruin it for everyone else.

Prayer sponsored by an entity of the state (in this case a public school) is unconstitutional. Period. It does not matter if the student body is unanimously 100% Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and all hold identical views. The state is a secular institution, and should have no involvement with religious activities of any kind.

Perhaps you will understand with an example. Let's say we have a public high school that was majority Muslim. Would it be acceptable for that school to impose a dress code on the students that included the hijab for girls, and to play the adhan five times a day over the school's PA system?


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