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20 Dec 2011, 5:05 pm

Is there a current of political thought in Turkey that is very anti-Islam and is secularist in the extreme? Is it called Kemalism? :)

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20 Dec 2011, 5:38 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalist_ideology

From what little I can make out, it seems laicity in Turkey is quite near France's, it just wants religion out of the education and juridic systems but still allows the practice of religion in the private sphere. This is supposedly to allow Turkey to modernize.

I don't think it's "anti-islam" per se. But I can't say more, really. =/



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20 Dec 2011, 5:41 pm

The way it was reported to me is that some political parties just want a separation of church and state rather than the decidedly anti-cletical stance of recent years.



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20 Dec 2011, 7:26 pm

phil777 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalist_ideology

From what little I can make out, it seems laicity in Turkey is quite near France's, it just wants religion out of the education and juridic systems but still allows the practice of religion in the private sphere. This is supposedly to allow Turkey to modernize.

I don't think it's "anti-islam" per se. But I can't say more, really. =/
Yeah, that is what I have always admired about Turkey and the Laïcité system of secularism over the politically correct American system of secularism. And they got rid of the Caliphate, you have to give the Turks credit for that.


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20 Dec 2011, 8:34 pm

Abgal64 wrote:
phil777 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalist_ideology

From what little I can make out, it seems laicity in Turkey is quite near France's, it just wants religion out of the education and juridic systems but still allows the practice of religion in the private sphere. This is supposedly to allow Turkey to modernize.

I don't think it's "anti-islam" per se. But I can't say more, really. =/
Yeah, that is what I have always admired about Turkey and the Laïcité system of secularism over the politically correct American system of secularism. And they got rid of the Caliphate, you have to give the Turks credit for that.


There is a growing Islamist tendency in Turkey.

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20 Dec 2011, 11:22 pm

phil777 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalist_ideology

From what little I can make out, it seems laicity in Turkey is quite near France's, it just wants religion out of the education and juridic systems but still allows the practice of religion in the private sphere. This is supposedly to allow Turkey to modernize.

I don't think it's "anti-islam" per se. But I can't say more, really. =/


Sure, but you can get arrested if you publish something with the letter W in it.

I'm not gonna get on the turk's backs for the armenian genocide. Nearly all of those turks are dead. It would be like castigating modern germany for the nazi regime.

But their current oppression of kurds is reprehensible.



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21 Dec 2011, 4:15 am

blauSamstag wrote:

But their current oppression of kurds is reprehensible.


What do Turkey, Sadaam Hussein and Little Miss Muffet have in common? Answer: They all found Kurds in their Whey.

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