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21 Dec 2011, 7:15 am

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2011/03/ ... 299973911/

After seeing a decade of irrational optimism result in the worse financial crisis since the Great Depression, I can see how optimism leads to disaster on the aggregate level. It looks like it has a similar effect on the individual level, so the vices of optimism truly are fractal!

This post is probably confusing. I'm too lazy to write it more clearly.


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21 Dec 2011, 8:20 am

Optimists are doomed to disappointment.

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21 Dec 2011, 8:28 am

ruveyn wrote:
Optimists are doomed to disappointment.

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21 Dec 2011, 10:39 am

Oh, you want a long life? Listen to your granny, who tells you to quit hitting the booze so hard, complains that you "smell like an ashtray" if you happen to have been less than a half-mile downwind of a smoker within the past three months, still thinks that it's normal for women under 35 to have hems below the knee when there isn't a full-blown Call of the Wild snow storm, and doesn't seem to have gotten the memo that the Great Depression was over before she was even born. The old nag is right about everything except religion, and there are times that I wonder about that one.

The study doesn't prove that optimism will kill you. What it suggests is that blind optimism...that is, not thinking about the consequences of your decisions...is a little dangerous, and the perils of "taking your life too seriously" are wayyyy overblown.



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21 Dec 2011, 11:07 am

WilliamWDelaney wrote:
The study doesn't prove that optimism will kill you. What it suggests is that blind optimism...that is, not thinking about the consequences of your decisions...is a little dangerous, and the perils of "taking your life too seriously" are wayyyy overblown.
True, but I think it also pertains to optimism in general. Blowing smoke up your ass is a very simplistic way of coping. If you only believe in simplistic solutions, adversity will tax your limited resources. So it makes sense that people who diversify their inner reserves rather than just blow smoke up their asses would be more well equipped for the real world.



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21 Dec 2011, 12:51 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Optimists are doomed to disappointment.

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exactly. pessimism is the rational position for a would be optimist to take.


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21 Dec 2011, 12:57 pm

I love how they relate it to optimism, rather than just being foolish and not assuming there will be any consequences.

Optimism has nothing to do with this study.



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21 Dec 2011, 6:05 pm

Good point, White Widow. I was trying to get at something like that, but you did it better and got closer to the mark. The study was talking about people who are prudent and studied in their decision-making versus people who tend to be "happy-go-lucky." An optimist can be serious and responsible, and the pessimist can be self-indulgent to the point of being fairly out-of-touch with reality in his own right.



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21 Dec 2011, 6:25 pm

peebo wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Optimists are doomed to disappointment.

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exactly. pessimism is the rational position for a would be optimist to take.


Yup. It is the only way to hedge reality. Expect little but enjoy surprises.

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21 Dec 2011, 7:18 pm

Pessimistic optimism works best for me. :)
pure pessimism can cause depression,stress and anxiety which is terrible for your health.
The article should say that blind optimism is bad for your health. Otherwise the entire study is inaccurate.


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22 Dec 2011, 1:47 am

I prefer cynical optimism; expect the best but carry hollowpoints... :lol:


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22 Dec 2011, 2:02 am

WilliamWDelaney wrote:
Good point, White Widow. I was trying to get at something like that, but you did it better and got closer to the mark. The study was talking about people who are prudent and studied in their decision-making versus people who tend to be "happy-go-lucky." An optimist can be serious and responsible, and the pessimist can be self-indulgent to the point of being fairly out-of-touch with reality in his own right.


True, there are fatalistic libertines who just don't care about consequences. I am an optimist, but that does not mean I am happy-go-lucky; rather, I just find fatalism to be boring.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_rel ... ter-health

@Dox, well said.


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22 Dec 2011, 3:14 am

WilliamWDelaney wrote:
Good point, White Widow. I was trying to get at something like that, but you did it better and got closer to the mark. The study was talking about people who are prudent and studied in their decision-making versus people who tend to be "happy-go-lucky." An optimist can be serious and responsible, and the pessimist can be self-indulgent to the point of being fairly out-of-touch with reality in his own right.


I feel like a dick for undermining you now. This explanation is far more thought out than my own



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22 Dec 2011, 3:59 am

Sorry, but I think I will stick to garden variety cynicism and live longer. Its most unfortunate that most optimists go through life and never see things for what they really are.


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22 Dec 2011, 12:17 pm

Anyone of you happen to be Cthulhu or any of the Elder Gods...?

(For non-Lovecraft fans: Lovecraftian literature has a dystopian theme where mankind is irrelevant in the great scheme of the universe anyway, so in a way only the clinically depressed have the most accurate, uncoloured view of reality, vis-a-vis "what's the point?")