Why can't the far right appreciate a cease to an epidemic

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AugustX
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29 Dec 2011, 10:35 pm

Because obesity is getting into our very costly system? How the hell do they justify being so careless at times?

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29 Dec 2011, 11:44 pm

how do you stop obesity?

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29 Dec 2011, 11:59 pm

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Because obesity is getting into our very costly system?

How about minding your own business?

And who are you calling 'far-right'? In Europe and Australia/New Zealand that term is reserved for neo-Nazis, extreme racial/ethnic nationalists and other fascists. Controversially, the term is used (I would say misused) by media outlets and some left-wingers in order to refer to the nascent national conservative political parties across Europe who have an opposition to mass immigration and Islam as part of their platform.

Also, instead of using finances in order to scaremonger and pick on fat people I think you'll find that it's 'healthier' people that cost more money to the healthcare system.

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30 Dec 2011, 6:07 am

Tequila wrote:

Also, instead of using finances in order to scaremonger and pick on fat people I think you'll find that it's 'healthier' people that cost more money to the healthcare system.

how do you come to this conclusion?

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30 Dec 2011, 7:15 am

peebo wrote:

how do you come to this conclusion?

Both anecdotally and through research. Fat people and smokers tend to die off earlier, saving the health care system money. See here (http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/health/fatties-and-smokers-save-the-nhs-money).

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30 Dec 2011, 7:33 am

i would very much like to see this research.

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30 Dec 2011, 7:58 am

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i would very much like to see this research.

Well, smokers in the UK donate far more to the UK treasury through taxes, which then goes to give them often sub-standard treatment (and possible treatment refusal) on the NHS.

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30 Dec 2011, 8:25 am

thats not research, thats anecdotes.

you said you had researched the subject and as such i expect to see some evidence,

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30 Dec 2011, 12:47 pm

Jacoby wrote:

how do you stop obesity?

By not eating too much and by exercising more.

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30 Dec 2011, 12:56 pm

I've seen videos of people performing liposuction on themselves...Maybe it should be a new life skill?

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30 Dec 2011, 1:13 pm

Oodain wrote:

thats not research, thats anecdotes.

OK, you want research?

In the UK, the Government takes around £11bn in tax from tobacco sales every year. Tobacco is extremely highly taxed in the UK and buying in Britain is even more expensive than in Denmark. A packet of 20 cigarettes is around 45 DKK (or £5) a pack in Denmark, right? It tells you something is amiss when there is considerable incentive in buys cigarettes from Denmark to take home to the UK because they're cheaper there (we've done this). In the UK it's more like £6.50 for a packet of 20 (equivalent to around 58 DKK). The Irish have the most expensive cigarettes in Europe - a packet of 20 costs around €8.65 (£7.25; 65 DKK) there!

The cost of the UK NHS is around £100bn a year I believe. £5bn is the figure quoted in the press for how much it costs the NHS to treat smokers (and I'll bet the farm that all sorts of nonsense that isn't anything to do with smoking is chucked in to create that figure - for instance, a lot of things are listed as 'alcohol-related' with the NHS when they have little or nothing to do with alcohol - someone comes into the doctor's after having a pint or two with a complaint not to do with alcohol? It's still classed as alcohol-related!). Even at that most likely ludicrously inflated figure, smokers pay the UK taxpayer more than double what they put in. And yet the NHS still sees fit to treat smokers as if they were Üntermenschen.

I can give you links if you want them.

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you said you had researched the subject and as such i expect to see some evidence,

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30 Dec 2011, 1:25 pm

Oodain wrote:

thats not research, thats anecdotes.

you said you had researched the subject and as such i expect to see some evidence,

well the fact about tobacco taxation is obvious, though. the huge majority of the price of tobacco here is tax. retailers make something like 15p on a £6.50 packet of cigarettes. it might even be less. i looked onto this once after talking about it with the guy on the local shop round here. you'll find exact information if you google it. in fact here's a table that gives you the tax revenue on cigarette sales in the uk. quite a lot.

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publicati ... m-tobacco/

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30 Dec 2011, 1:27 pm

Tequila wrote:

Oodain wrote:

thats not research, thats anecdotes.

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you said you had researched the subject and as such i expect to see some evidence,

right, so if you look at the table i linked above you'll see that they are £6 billion in credit for this year on smoking related illness vs tobacco tax.

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30 Dec 2011, 1:59 pm

how does this tie into obesity?

as far as smoking goes it doesnt surprise me, just as the alcohol tax would probably be the same.

as i see it obesity is a choice for most people, some really cant lose wheight but mostly its a matter of matching intake and output.

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30 Dec 2011, 2:19 pm

i was only commenting on tequila's comment on smoking. as far as obesity, i don't know much about it but a quick google search revealed this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/healt ... .html?_r=2

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