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05 Jan 2012, 10:21 am

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05 Jan 2012, 10:28 am

I suspect the burning of the earth will indicate the previous removal of all righteous.


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05 Jan 2012, 11:58 am

leejosepho wrote:
I suspect the burning of the earth will indicate the previous removal of all righteous.


I am sure G'd has his own time table for that. :wink:


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05 Jan 2012, 12:11 pm

The rapture doctrine was made up in the 1800s by an Anabaptist preacher named Darby. His congregation was dwindling and so he strung some verses together, said they meant the rapture of the church, and scared people into coming back. Anabaptists are big on the doom and gloom aspect of religion.

It's become a big hit and spread throughout many protestant faiths.

But it's not real, nor biblical.

I have read the "Left Behind" books, and I went to a protestant fundamentalist evangelical school for 12 years, so I'm very familiar with the doctrine. If it happens the way people think it will, it would be obvious.

A fault in that doctrine is that people will not know what happened. Hello! This is not the 1800s, we have mass media and communications, and the level of learning has advanced greatly since then. A mass disappearance like that would of course cause fear and panic, but the tv's and papers would be full of those who had been taught about the rapture and just didn't believe in it. Therefore, not raptured.

When the doctrine first began to be spread, it was assumed that many wouldn't know because it wasn't a widely known doctrine. Now, just about everybody who has ever heard of Christianity has heard of it. People would know. Of course, us Catholics wouldn't be ratpured because we are part of the "Whore Of Babylon" as the fundamentalists call the Church, so those of us who have heard about it would still be here.

If a mass disappearance like that did occur, I'd of course know what it was, feel like an idiot for being wrong, Google one of the hundreds of rapture websites and watch all the videos and read the letters that those who got raptured put up for those of us who are left behind, and follow their instructions.

There is no logical way that it could go like Darby proposed in the 1800s.


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05 Jan 2012, 12:13 pm

We will know when it's too late, much like with natural disasters.



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05 Jan 2012, 12:14 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
The rapture doctrine was made up in the 1800s by an Anabaptist preacher named Darby. His congregation was dwindling and so he strung some verses together, said they meant the rapture of the church, and scared people into coming back. Anabaptists are big on the doom and gloom aspect of religion.

It's become a big hit and spread throughout many protestant faiths.

But it's not real, nor biblical.

I have read the "Left Behind" books, and I went to a protestant fundamentalist evangelical school for 12 years, so I'm very familiar with the doctrine. If it happens the way people think it will, it would be obvious.

A fault in that doctrine is that people will not know what happened. Hello! This is not the 1800s, we have mass media and communications, and the level of learning has advanced greatly since then. A mass disappearance like that would of course cause fear and panic, but the tv's and papers would be full of those who had been taught about the rapture and just didn't believe in it. Therefore, not raptured.

When the doctrine first began to be spread, it was assumed that many wouldn't know because it wasn't a widely known doctrine. Now, just about everybody who has ever heard of Christianity has heard of it. People would know. Of course, us Catholics wouldn't be ratpured because we are part of the "Whore Of Babylon" as the fundamentalists call the Church, so those of us who have heard about it would still be here.

If a mass disappearance like that did occur, I'd of course know what it was, feel like an idiot for being wrong, Google one of the hundreds of rapture websites and watch all the videos and read the letters that those who got raptured put up for those of us who are left behind, and follow their instructions.

There is no logical way that it could go like Darby proposed in the 1800s.


what if like the cartoon proposes the number is too small too notice.
15 people disappear in the summer of 93 no one notices.


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05 Jan 2012, 2:12 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
The rapture doctrine was made up in the 1800s by an Anabaptist preacher named Darby. His congregation was dwindling and so he strung some verses together, said they meant the rapture of the church, and scared people into coming back. Anabaptists are big on the doom and gloom aspect of religion.

It's become a big hit and spread throughout many protestant faiths.

But it's not real, nor biblical.

I have read the "Left Behind" books, and I went to a protestant fundamentalist evangelical school for 12 years, so I'm very familiar with the doctrine. If it happens the way people think it will, it would be obvious.

A fault in that doctrine is that people will not know what happened. Hello! This is not the 1800s, we have mass media and communications, and the level of learning has advanced greatly since then. A mass disappearance like that would of course cause fear and panic, but the tv's and papers would be full of those who had been taught about the rapture and just didn't believe in it. Therefore, not raptured.

When the doctrine first began to be spread, it was assumed that many wouldn't know because it wasn't a widely known doctrine. Now, just about everybody who has ever heard of Christianity has heard of it. People would know. Of course, us Catholics wouldn't be ratpured because we are part of the "Whore Of Babylon" as the fundamentalists call the Church, so those of us who have heard about it would still be here.

If a mass disappearance like that did occur, I'd of course know what it was, feel like an idiot for being wrong, Google one of the hundreds of rapture websites and watch all the videos and read the letters that those who got raptured put up for those of us who are left behind, and follow their instructions.

There is no logical way that it could go like Darby proposed in the 1800s.


what if like the cartoon proposes the number is too small too notice.
15 people disappear in the summer of 93 no one notices.


In that case Jesus would have already come back. The pre-trib rapture doctrine (original one) states that after the rapture there will be 7 years tribulation on earth and then Jesus will return. If it had happened in 93 then He would have come back in 2000.

If it were true and only 15 people would go, then I would imagine that God would just send a comet or something instead.

Also, only 15 people is not a "mass disappearance" so it would nullify the original doctrine which states that many will be gone.

But, all logic aside, if that happened as you are suggesting, then we are f*cked. Was that what you were going for? ;-)


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05 Jan 2012, 2:19 pm

when they play the Blondie song "Rapture" non stop that may be a hint.


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05 Jan 2012, 2:28 pm

leejosepho wrote:
I suspect the burning of the earth will indicate the previous removal of all righteous.


In Parshat Noach (the portion of Genesis about Noah) G-D promises never to destroy the Earth again.

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05 Jan 2012, 4:27 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
The rapture doctrine was made up in the 1800s by an Anabaptist preacher named Darby. His congregation was dwindling and so he strung some verses together, said they meant the rapture of the church, and scared people into coming back. Anabaptists are big on the doom and gloom aspect of religion.

It's become a big hit and spread throughout many protestant faiths.

But it's not real, nor biblical.

I have read the "Left Behind" books, and I went to a protestant fundamentalist evangelical school for 12 years, so I'm very familiar with the doctrine. If it happens the way people think it will, it would be obvious.

A fault in that doctrine is that people will not know what happened. Hello! This is not the 1800s, we have mass media and communications, and the level of learning has advanced greatly since then. A mass disappearance like that would of course cause fear and panic, but the tv's and papers would be full of those who had been taught about the rapture and just didn't believe in it. Therefore, not raptured.

When the doctrine first began to be spread, it was assumed that many wouldn't know because it wasn't a widely known doctrine. Now, just about everybody who has ever heard of Christianity has heard of it. People would know. Of course, us Catholics wouldn't be ratpured because we are part of the "Whore Of Babylon" as the fundamentalists call the Church, so those of us who have heard about it would still be here.

If a mass disappearance like that did occur, I'd of course know what it was, feel like an idiot for being wrong, Google one of the hundreds of rapture websites and watch all the videos and read the letters that those who got raptured put up for those of us who are left behind, and follow their instructions.

There is no logical way that it could go like Darby proposed in the 1800s.

The rapture really is Biblically founded, though. I'll do some digging later in support of that. The Left Behind series, while not claiming to be a factual depiction of exactly what will happen, takes a dispensationalist perspective on the rapture and the tribulation. If you take the Bible literally down to the letter, it's a speculation on what it COULD look like based on the best literal interpretation of the text.

There are, of course, a number of variants of dispensationalism. What we're talking about here is premillennial dispensationalism. That interpretation did start with Darby, but it was really Scofield that popularized the idea.

Which reminds me, I've been meaning to go through the Scofield notes next time I start reading the Bible. I love Scofield's take on the first chapter of Genesis.



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05 Jan 2012, 4:27 pm

ruveyn wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
I suspect the burning of the earth will indicate the previous removal of all righteous.


In Parshat Noach (the portion of Genesis about Noah) G-D promises never to destroy the Earth again.

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Never again through water, that is. Nothing was said of fire.



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05 Jan 2012, 5:11 pm

AngelRho wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
I suspect the burning of the earth will indicate the previous removal of all righteous.


In Parshat Noach (the portion of Genesis about Noah) G-D promises never to destroy the Earth again.

ruveyn

Never again through water, that is. Nothing was said of fire.


Or zombies.


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05 Jan 2012, 5:14 pm

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity :)


I don't know, that theory seems as silly to me as the "I don't know, so aliens" guy.



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05 Jan 2012, 9:19 pm

The rapture will come when Christ returns and atheism is on the rise.

That will be December 21, 2012. 8)
Surely the Mayan prophecy can not be wrong!. haven't you heard the Mayan sun god and Jesus Christ are facebook friends. :wink:


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06 Jan 2012, 12:35 pm

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The rapture will come when Christ returns and atheism is on the rise.

That will be December 21, 2012. 8)
Surely the Mayan prophecy can not be wrong!. haven't you heard the Mayan sun god and Jesus Christ are facebook friends. :wink:


I thought Christ and Mithras were just one user with multiple accounts. Maybe he just created the Mayan account so he could get his friend count up.


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