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07 Apr 2012, 3:11 pm

Here is the link I found this very interesting worth debating about too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/2 ... 44645.html

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07 Apr 2012, 4:02 pm

I do absolutely adore this quote

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Jane Henrici, a study director at the Institute for Women's Policy Research, said continued efforts are needed to ensure that women can compete for jobs on an equal footing, such as flexible work policies involving sick-day and onsite child-care as well as training for future green jobs.


Which considering the article should be that such steps have to be taken in order to get men back into the workforce. Furthermore, if the goal is "gender equality" there needs to be steps taken in order to get more men into advanced degree programs as the growth of women getting degrees will outpace that of males.

Just from an objective and pragmatic point of view.



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07 Apr 2012, 4:06 pm

TM wrote:
I do absolutely adore this quote

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Jane Henrici, a study director at the Institute for Women's Policy Research, said continued efforts are needed to ensure that women can compete for jobs on an equal footing, such as flexible work policies involving sick-day and onsite child-care as well as training for future green jobs.


Which considering the article should be that such steps have to be taken in order to get men back into the workforce. Furthermore, if the goal is "gender equality" there needs to be steps taken in order to get more men into advanced degree programs as the growth of women getting degrees will outpace that of males.

Just from an objective and pragmatic point of view.


True but in America women do struggle to keep a job more then men do women are often laid off reather harshly. My mother was laid off after working for 11 years at her company instead they wanted her to take a pay cut just so they could have enough money to give the men a pay raise.



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07 Apr 2012, 4:32 pm

Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
I do absolutely adore this quote

Quote:
Jane Henrici, a study director at the Institute for Women's Policy Research, said continued efforts are needed to ensure that women can compete for jobs on an equal footing, such as flexible work policies involving sick-day and onsite child-care as well as training for future green jobs.


Which considering the article should be that such steps have to be taken in order to get men back into the workforce. Furthermore, if the goal is "gender equality" there needs to be steps taken in order to get more men into advanced degree programs as the growth of women getting degrees will outpace that of males.

Just from an objective and pragmatic point of view.


True but in America women do struggle to keep a job more then men do women are often laid off reather harshly. My mother was laid off after working for 11 years at her company instead they wanted her to take a pay cut just so they could have enough money to give the men a pay raise.


According to statistics more men have gotten laid off than women and unemployment among men is higher, so again your mother is not representative of her entire gender according to statistical data.



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07 Apr 2012, 4:40 pm

TM wrote:
Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
I do absolutely adore this quote

Quote:
Jane Henrici, a study director at the Institute for Women's Policy Research, said continued efforts are needed to ensure that women can compete for jobs on an equal footing, such as flexible work policies involving sick-day and onsite child-care as well as training for future green jobs.


Which considering the article should be that such steps have to be taken in order to get men back into the workforce. Furthermore, if the goal is "gender equality" there needs to be steps taken in order to get more men into advanced degree programs as the growth of women getting degrees will outpace that of males.

Just from an objective and pragmatic point of view.


True but in America women do struggle to keep a job more then men do women are often laid off reather harshly. My mother was laid off after working for 11 years at her company instead they wanted her to take a pay cut just so they could have enough money to give the men a pay raise.


According to statistics more men have gotten laid off than women and unemployment among men is higher, so again your mother is not representative of her entire gender according to statistical data.


Never stated nor did I say she was btw we live in two sepearte contries they way things are over their do not happen over here in America thinks to conservative right-wing politics.



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07 Apr 2012, 4:45 pm

Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
I do absolutely adore this quote

Quote:
Jane Henrici, a study director at the Institute for Women's Policy Research, said continued efforts are needed to ensure that women can compete for jobs on an equal footing, such as flexible work policies involving sick-day and onsite child-care as well as training for future green jobs.


Which considering the article should be that such steps have to be taken in order to get men back into the workforce. Furthermore, if the goal is "gender equality" there needs to be steps taken in order to get more men into advanced degree programs as the growth of women getting degrees will outpace that of males.

Just from an objective and pragmatic point of view.


True but in America women do struggle to keep a job more then men do women are often laid off reather harshly. My mother was laid off after working for 11 years at her company instead they wanted her to take a pay cut just so they could have enough money to give the men a pay raise.


According to statistics more men have gotten laid off than women and unemployment among men is higher, so again your mother is not representative of her entire gender according to statistical data.


Never stated nor did I say she was btw we live in two sepearte contries they way things are over their do not happen over here in America thinks to conservative right-wing politics.


I was quoting statistics from the post you linked...



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07 Apr 2012, 4:51 pm

TM wrote:
Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
I do absolutely adore this quote

Quote:
Jane Henrici, a study director at the Institute for Women's Policy Research, said continued efforts are needed to ensure that women can compete for jobs on an equal footing, such as flexible work policies involving sick-day and onsite child-care as well as training for future green jobs.


Which considering the article should be that such steps have to be taken in order to get men back into the workforce. Furthermore, if the goal is "gender equality" there needs to be steps taken in order to get more men into advanced degree programs as the growth of women getting degrees will outpace that of males.

Just from an objective and pragmatic point of view.


True but in America women do struggle to keep a job more then men do women are often laid off reather harshly. My mother was laid off after working for 11 years at her company instead they wanted her to take a pay cut just so they could have enough money to give the men a pay raise.


According to statistics more men have gotten laid off than women and unemployment among men is higher, so again your mother is not representative of her entire gender according to statistical data.


Never stated nor did I say she was btw we live in two sepearte contries they way things are over their do not happen over here in America thinks to conservative right-wing politics.


I was quoting statistics from the post you linked...


I apologize I do think the statistics speak only for women living in the the west I do think and some people. Will agree that women have more succuess in those types of feild work that the link is talking about. But women are not outsourcing men workers at all the Economy in America has effected both equally economicaly.



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07 Apr 2012, 5:09 pm

Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
I do absolutely adore this quote

Quote:
Jane Henrici, a study director at the Institute for Women's Policy Research, said continued efforts are needed to ensure that women can compete for jobs on an equal footing, such as flexible work policies involving sick-day and onsite child-care as well as training for future green jobs.


Which considering the article should be that such steps have to be taken in order to get men back into the workforce. Furthermore, if the goal is "gender equality" there needs to be steps taken in order to get more men into advanced degree programs as the growth of women getting degrees will outpace that of males.

Just from an objective and pragmatic point of view.


True but in America women do struggle to keep a job more then men do women are often laid off reather harshly. My mother was laid off after working for 11 years at her company instead they wanted her to take a pay cut just so they could have enough money to give the men a pay raise.


According to statistics more men have gotten laid off than women and unemployment among men is higher, so again your mother is not representative of her entire gender according to statistical data.


Never stated nor did I say she was btw we live in two sepearte contries they way things are over their do not happen over here in America thinks to conservative right-wing politics.


I was quoting statistics from the post you linked...


I apologize I do think the statistics speak only for women living in the the west I do think and some people. Will agree that women have more succuess in those types of feild work that the link is talking about. But women are not outsourcing men workers at all the Economy in America has effected both equally economicaly.


DUDE, you SAID:

Joker wrote:
True but in America women do struggle to keep a job more then men do women are often laid off reather harshly.


2 posts ago in this thread and the statistic is from America, you can't start an argument, get proven wrong then claim to be making a different argument.



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07 Apr 2012, 5:16 pm

TM wrote:
Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
I do absolutely adore this quote

Quote:
Jane Henrici, a study director at the Institute for Women's Policy Research, said continued efforts are needed to ensure that women can compete for jobs on an equal footing, such as flexible work policies involving sick-day and onsite child-care as well as training for future green jobs.


Which considering the article should be that such steps have to be taken in order to get men back into the workforce. Furthermore, if the goal is "gender equality" there needs to be steps taken in order to get more men into advanced degree programs as the growth of women getting degrees will outpace that of males.

Just from an objective and pragmatic point of view.


True but in America women do struggle to keep a job more then men do women are often laid off reather harshly. My mother was laid off after working for 11 years at her company instead they wanted her to take a pay cut just so they could have enough money to give the men a pay raise.


According to statistics more men have gotten laid off than women and unemployment among men is higher, so again your mother is not representative of her entire gender according to statistical data.


Never stated nor did I say she was btw we live in two sepearte contries they way things are over their do not happen over here in America thinks to conservative right-wing politics.


I was quoting statistics from the post you linked...


I apologize I do think the statistics speak only for women living in the the west I do think and some people. Will agree that women have more succuess in those types of feild work that the link is talking about. But women are not outsourcing men workers at all the Economy in America has effected both equally economicaly.


DUDE, you SAID:

Joker wrote:
True but in America women do struggle to keep a job more then men do women are often laid off reather harshly.


2 posts ago in this thread and the statistic is from America, you can't start an argument, get proven wrong then claim to be making a different argument.


Never said you proved me wrong you wanted to see the male persona of me I showed it to you.

And I do not understand how that is of any importance right now I am aware that I posed that and your point?



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07 Apr 2012, 5:18 pm

Plus I do believe the thread is not in any way putting down men at all. It is saying the women are EQUAL in regards to academics is that so hard to understand?



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07 Apr 2012, 5:24 pm

That's a funny head line. I guess most people would just read the head line and avoid the article.

The headline says "women equal!" so I can already visualize MRA's getting ready to say that feminists should just shut up and the such.

The first paragraph, however, says:

"Yet they continue to lag behind men in pay."

Woa. so, at least Academics are fixed, but it seems that the whole pay thing is still quite messed up.

Now, it is true the article talks about something that is indeed messed up and it is that women are getting more academic level.

Could it be BECAUSE of the disparity in salary? Imagine that. Since when men and women are equally qualified women make barely 80% of what men make, it gives women more reason to climb in professional level than it gives to men.

So, if you want balance in academics, bring balance in pay.


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07 Apr 2012, 5:26 pm

[quote="Vexcalibur"]That's a funny head line. I guess most people would just read the head line and avoid the article.

The headline says "women equal!" so I can already visualize MRA's getting ready to say that feminists should just shut up and the such.

The first paragraph, however, says:

"Yet they continue to lag behind men in pay."

Woa. so, at least Academics are fixed, but it seems that the whole pay thing is still quite messed up.[/quote

I agree why can't women make the same as men do? I swear its like one big conspiracy thoery.



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07 Apr 2012, 5:30 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
That's a funny head line. I guess most people would just read the head line and avoid the article.

The headline says "women equal!" so I can already visualize MRA's getting ready to say that feminists should just shut up and the such.

The first paragraph, however, says:

"Yet they continue to lag behind men in pay."

Woa. so, at least Academics are fixed, but it seems that the whole pay thing is still quite messed up.

Now, it is true the article talks about something that is indeed messed up and it is that women are getting more academic level.

Could it be BECAUSE of the disparity in salary? Imagine that. Since when men and women are equally qualified women make barely 80% of what men make, it gives women more reason to climb in professional level than it gives to men.

So, if you want balance in academics, bring balance in pay.


http://i44.tinypic.com/2d1tuf4.jpg read under the heading "Gender pay gap is a myth"



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07 Apr 2012, 5:32 pm

TM wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
That's a funny head line. I guess most people would just read the head line and avoid the article.

The headline says "women equal!" so I can already visualize MRA's getting ready to say that feminists should just shut up and the such.

The first paragraph, however, says:

"Yet they continue to lag behind men in pay."

Woa. so, at least Academics are fixed, but it seems that the whole pay thing is still quite messed up.

Now, it is true the article talks about something that is indeed messed up and it is that women are getting more academic level.

Could it be BECAUSE of the disparity in salary? Imagine that. Since when men and women are equally qualified women make barely 80% of what men make, it gives women more reason to climb in professional level than it gives to men.

So, if you want balance in academics, bring balance in pay.


http://i44.tinypic.com/2d1tuf4.jpg read under the heading "Gender pay gap is a myth"


Gender pay gap is a myth in your country not in ours. Where conservatives and right-wingers make it to where women are only pay a certin amount for the same jobs men do.



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07 Apr 2012, 6:02 pm

Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
That's a funny head line. I guess most people would just read the head line and avoid the article.

The headline says "women equal!" so I can already visualize MRA's getting ready to say that feminists should just shut up and the such.

The first paragraph, however, says:

"Yet they continue to lag behind men in pay."

Woa. so, at least Academics are fixed, but it seems that the whole pay thing is still quite messed up.

Now, it is true the article talks about something that is indeed messed up and it is that women are getting more academic level.

Could it be BECAUSE of the disparity in salary? Imagine that. Since when men and women are equally qualified women make barely 80% of what men make, it gives women more reason to climb in professional level than it gives to men.

So, if you want balance in academics, bring balance in pay.


http://i44.tinypic.com/2d1tuf4.jpg read under the heading "Gender pay gap is a myth"


Gender pay gap is a myth in your country not in ours. Where conservatives and right-wingers make it to where women are only pay a certin amount for the same jobs men do.


Again the stats were from the US. There is a gender paygap here as well, however its due to among other things choice of profession. What the latest and most detailed survey done in this country showed was that women and men holding the same positions, with the same level of experience, education, performing similar quality and quantities of work were in fact close enough to be called equal. There were cases where women made more than men and vice versa based on indidual factors.

In the survey I mentioned, they did it on a company level, because different companies have different levels of pay, there are differences based on location within the country, since salaries are generally higher in cities and lower in rural areas.



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07 Apr 2012, 6:07 pm

I think I can agree with that TM really it all boils down to. Classim as well that affect both men and women in the US both never getting payed what they are worth. Lower and middle class familes get expolited and are payed less then those of wealthy or high class familes.