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skysaw
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01 Dec 2009, 6:14 pm

You ever heard of this guy Chris Langan? He's like really smart.
What do you make of this guy's story? His theories? And anything else?

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Christopher Michael Langan (born c. 1952) is an American autodidact whose IQ was reported by 20/20 and other media sources to have been measured at between 195 and 210.[1] Billed by some media sources as "the smartest man in America",[2] he rose to prominence in 1999 while working as a bouncer on Long Island. Langan has developed his own "theory of the relationship between mind and reality" which he calls the "Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe (CTMU)".

Langan was born in San Francisco and spent most of his early life in Montana. His mother was the daughter of a wealthy shipping executive but was cut off from her family; his father died or disappeared before he was born.[5] He began talking at six months, taught himself to read before he was four, and was repeatedly skipped ahead in school.[6] But he grew up in poverty and says he was beaten by his stepfather from when he was almost six to when he was about fourteen.[7] By then Langan had begun weight training, and forcibly ended the abuse, throwing his stepfather out of the house and telling him never to return.[8]

Langan says he spent the last years of high school mostly in independent study, teaching himself "advanced math, physics, philosophy, Latin and Greek, all that".[9] His brother recalls that "when Christopher was fourteen or fifteen, he would draw things just as a joke, and it would be like a photograph. When he was fifteen, he could match Jimi Hendrix lick for lick on a guitar."[10] After earning a perfect score on the SAT[7] Langan attended Reed College and later Montana State University, but faced with finance and transportation problems, and believing that he "could literally teach [his professors] more than they could teach [him]", dropped out.[9]

He took a string of labor-intensive jobs, and by his mid-40s had been a construction worker, cowboy, forest service firefighter, farmhand, and for over twenty years, a bouncer on Long Island. He says he developed a "double-life strategy", on one side a regular guy, doing his job and exchanging pleasantries, and on the other side coming home to perform equations in his head, working in isolation on his Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe.[9]

Wider attention came in 1999, when Esquire magazine published a profile of Langan and other members of the high-IQ community.[9] Billing Langan as "the smartest man in America", the article's account of the weight-lifting bouncer and his CTMU "Theory of Everything" sparked a flurry of media interest. Board-certified neuropsychologist Dr. Robert Novelly tested Langan's IQ for 20/20, which reported that Langan broke the ceiling of the test. Novelly was said to be astounded, saying: "Chris is the highest individual that I have ever measured in 25 years of doing this."[7]


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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mfbUhs2PVY&feature=related[/youtube]

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01 Dec 2009, 7:29 pm

Has he been tested by MENSA? The MENSA test only goes up to 150, from what I've been told. The 200 top test is an outdated test. The MENSA test is apparently designed to eliminate the possibility of a score higher than 150, because with the old test there was a possibility of a "210" score, which meant that one was able to outsmart the test. I am thinking of going in for MENSA testing myself. It costs $40, I believe, and MENSA changed its former policy of using the home test as a sifter for the proctored test, shifting from using the test to fish for members to a more honest approach. Therefore, they now test all who ask. Unless this guy is officially MENSA tested, I'll withhold judgment on whether he's the smartest human alive. He's obviously smart, there's no doubt about that, he reminds me of Einstein working on the theory of relativity in between filing patents as a clerk at the patent office.



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01 Dec 2009, 11:42 pm

pezar wrote:
Has he been tested by MENSA? The MENSA test only goes up to 150, from what I've been told. The 200 top test is an outdated test. The MENSA test is apparently designed to eliminate the possibility of a score higher than 150, because with the old test there was a possibility of a "210" score, which meant that one was able to outsmart the test. I am thinking of going in for MENSA testing myself. It costs $40, I believe, and MENSA changed its former policy of using the home test as a sifter for the proctored test, shifting from using the test to fish for members to a more honest approach. Therefore, they now test all who ask. Unless this guy is officially MENSA tested, I'll withhold judgment on whether he's the smartest human alive. He's obviously smart, there's no doubt about that, he reminds me of Einstein working on the theory of relativity in between filing patents as a clerk at the patent office.

MENSA is just a racket. They charge quite a bit more than $40 if you want to join. And I would hardly hold up a MENSA exam as an adequate measure of someone's intelligence.


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02 Dec 2009, 12:19 am

skysaw wrote:
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Christopher Michael Langan (born c. 1952) has developed his own "theory of the relationship between mind and reality" which he calls the "Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe (CTMU)".



Actually, I doubt this is one of his "original" ideas as it was presented on Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 1, Episode 6.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Where_N ... episode%29



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02 Dec 2009, 12:39 am

Intelligence is a vanity. Competence is better.



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02 Dec 2009, 12:45 am

He seems intelligent enough... but pretty full of himself. Something just strikes me wrong about him.. in the way a snake oil salesman would. Sorry that's my perception of him. It's hard to tell in a few short videos where he can present only summaries of his theories.

I could be wrong and he could be closer to true enlightenment then any person alive.


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07 Jul 2012, 5:01 pm

Oregon wrote:
He seems intelligent enough... but pretty full of himself. Something just strikes me wrong about him.. in the way a snake oil salesman would. Sorry that's my perception of him. It's hard to tell in a few short videos where he can present only summaries of his theories.

I could be wrong and he could be closer to true enlightenment then any person alive.


I think that he is an incredibly interesting person. I agree that he seems full of himself, but he had a tough background and must retain a lot of resentment against his family and society. It seems that hasn't been given the attention that he deserved throughout his life. So, he looks just a bit emotionally unstable (maybe for these reasons mentioned), not really full of himself.

I don't like his thoughts about "anti-disgenics" either, but I hope that he has changed his mind since the documentary.

I find his thoughts about academia and decision-making in politics very inspiring.



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07 Jul 2012, 5:06 pm

Your first post on this site is to bump a thread that has been dead for three years! WTF! :?


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07 Jul 2012, 8:13 pm

pezar wrote:
Has he been tested by MENSA? The MENSA test only goes up to 150, from what I've been told. The 200 top test is an outdated test. The MENSA test is apparently designed to eliminate the possibility of a score higher than 150, because with the old test there was a possibility of a "210" score, which meant that one was able to outsmart the test. I am thinking of going in for MENSA testing myself. It costs $40, I believe, and MENSA changed its former policy of using the home test as a sifter for the proctored test, shifting from using the test to fish for members to a more honest approach. Therefore, they now test all who ask. Unless this guy is officially MENSA tested, I'll withhold judgment on whether he's the smartest human alive. He's obviously smart, there's no doubt about that, he reminds me of Einstein working on the theory of relativity in between filing patents as a clerk at the patent office.

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07 Jul 2012, 11:45 pm

This person reminds me of the main character in "Good Will Hunting."

I am not a member of Mensa, but I think all this criticism of it ignores the possibility that the people who join often just want to interact with other people with something in common. It was created before the internet, so web sites like Wrong Planet was not an option.


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07 Jul 2012, 11:56 pm

I think Chris Langan is a troll lol.



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08 Jul 2012, 12:36 am

Well that was interesting especially the 3rd clip. He does seem like a deep thinker and insightful.



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08 Jul 2012, 1:44 am

He's wasted potential. Didnt really use his IQ for much and spent his time trying to develop a proof of God without any formal education. He's involved with the ID movement in some way. I think he published an essay or paper with them.

He reminds me of this quote in some way:

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Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts...



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08 Jul 2012, 2:22 am

What bothered me about this Langan doc when I first saw it (in about 2009, as a matter of fact) was how arm-wavy it was about his accomplishments.

How about a guy like Daniel Tammet, who can do tangibly amazing things right in front of you?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbASOcqc1Ss[/youtube](part 1)



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08 Jul 2012, 4:09 am

People like this illustrate what IQ actually measures, and what it doesn't measure. IQ basically describes how good you are at seeing patterns. If you are good at seeing patterns, and you are on an ego-trip because you think that your high IQ makes you more intelligent than other people, you are very likely to become a crank.

If you've ever been to a Mensa meetup, you know what I'm talking about. Strange as it may sound, people with high IQs are often not very bright.

The opposite of Chris Langan would be somebody like Richard Feynman. He was a slow-moving juggernaut instead of a fizzling firework. He had a much lower IQ than Langan, but he loved his subject and thought about it deeply all the time, until he made connections and began to understand what was going on.



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