I am a secular Christian and here is what it means.

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A secular christian is a christian is one who believes that the united states is a secular nation where anyone can live regardless of their faith choices and firmly upholds the constitution.

They believe that Jesus was the son of God, but they are the opposite of the spectrum when compared to fundamentalists and extreme conservative christians. They tend to believe in equal rights and don't judge meaning they actually follow the Bible.

My critique of them, I get this. These are the best Christians, in my opinion, because their beliefs do not interfere with scientific advancements, and they believe in the a secular nation and are anti theocracy. For our founding fathers were all too aware that religion mixed with government meant persecution and a lack of rights for others. They tend to be the most liberal Christians, this includes giving everyone the same rights as human beings, gays, atheists, muslims, etc.

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too bad there aren't more of such enlightened and fair-minded folk.

That's not what a secular christian is, this is what it is

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Awesome, just awesome. How?

Indeed we secualr christians in the world are a small group you will find very few of us because we dont always let our faith be the thing that helps us make tough choices and decisions that's why we are secular.

So you'd kill 185k people if god told you to do it? Would you nuke sodom and gamora too? Jesus' daddy was Joseph or Panthera depending on who it was that got marry preggers. God didn't do it.

"seucalr Christian"? Is that some kind of code for "SoCal Christian"? or "Soul Caliber Christian"?

No it really means I don't base all of my thinking and beliefs on the bible or my religion all the time I don't let it influence my way of thinking about other stuff also we are very small to as a secular christian community it really means is that I am not a fundie cause I cant stand them nothing about me is conservative notice how I like men hmm btw I bet your cute wouldnt mine seeing what ya look like either

I am for gay marriage birth control abortion everything that is labeled unchristian and I don't believe in converting people to my faith either.

Nothing conservative about liking men?

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it should be

I don't like using the word "secular" this way. Technically, the word can be applied to everyone without monastic vows, a fortiori non-clergy.

I apply it this way because I am SECULAER about my Faith that's the way anyone with a religion should be.

Well, what does your faith do then? Isn't that what it's there for, to be a moral guide to make tough decisions?

Anyway, as far as being a secular Christian, I guess by your definition I am, as I do believe in religious freedom, and it being a good thing. My priest and I were just having this conversation today (I originally asked why Justinian was a saint) and basically, before the 14th Amendment, states would, say, disallow Catholics from voting and stuff like that. So in my case, because we're like one of the smallest minorities of Christians in USA (Orthodox), we could even be legally sanctioned if there was what a lot of Protestants dream of, ie, the grand Protestant Theocracy.

That said, there's a weird weird dichotomy going on in Christendom. It seems people are divided into two camps. One of "We'll say sin is OK, afterall if we said something was bad, that'd be judgemental." And the other, is, basically to be a judgemental a**hole to everyone, constantly call people sinners, etc, ala Westboro Baptist. People very much forget about "Love the sinner, hate the sin." Jesus many times hung out with tax collectors and prostitutes, and the Jewish teachers of the Law judged him negatively for this. But at the same time, Jesus in Revelation says "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Things are still wrong if they're wrong, sin is sin.

I guess overall, as a Christian, your outlook in such matters should be this way:
Matthew 7:3-5



* Note how St. Paul considers himself the worst sinner, even though, he's, you know...St. Paul. Should say something there.



Basically, my big problem with being a "secular Christian" is it's very much like, if you do genuinely believe Christianity to be true, it should very much be what guides your life, not the culture and viewpoints around you. So in being a "secular Christian" it really to me cheapens Christianity.

Oh well, sorry if I was a bit harsh, but yeah. Plus I'm kinda rambly, as usual.

I do not view it as harsh at all sure my faith guides me in my religious life but not in regards to political or soical views.

It is still not the right word, I think. What you describe would better fit reasonableness than secularity. The sense of "secular" to which you seem to refer is that applied to, say, a society, or to describe a societal or cultural process of secularization. However, I think applying it to an individual would be confusing, since "secular" is already used this way in opposition to "regular", as in "secular clergy" (priests, bishops, etc.) and "regular clergy" (members of religious orders, monks, etc.).

But then, maybe it makes sense anyway. I don't know.