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30 Oct 2012, 6:58 pm

Here is a story about a man who was caught raping a goat.

http://www.zimeye.org/?p=44861

We eat animals. Isn't that worse than shagging them? So, why should such activities be illegal?



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30 Oct 2012, 7:03 pm

I think the argument against beastiality is that animals can't give their consent to being shagged. Then again they don't exactly give their consent to being killed and eaten either.

The potential for sexually transmitted diseases between man and animals I don't know about, although they did say that AIDS began from chimps.

Its a difficult case to make, I think its largely based on moralising rather than logic about protecting animals.



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30 Oct 2012, 7:04 pm

I think the two threads now on this board with titles both starting with "Why are there laws against" are themselves the answers sought by the questions.



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30 Oct 2012, 7:05 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgg9m7nOMT8[/youtube]


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30 Oct 2012, 7:06 pm

TM wrote:
I think the two threads now on this board with titles both starting with "Why are there laws against" are themselves the answers sought by the questions.


That statement doesn't make any sense to me.



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30 Oct 2012, 7:09 pm

We cannot know if animals will enjoy or become distressed by humans performing sexual acts on them, so bestiality is animal abuse. Even when we kill animals, we [are supposed to] try and do it humanely.
Perhaps if sedatives were used, or a 'pleasure test' was invented, a pro-bestiality argument could be made.



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30 Oct 2012, 7:11 pm

what about in the case of a male animal mounting a human?

How can you argue that its against the animal's will?

Just putting that out there.



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30 Oct 2012, 7:18 pm

thomas81 wrote:
TM wrote:
I think the two threads now on this board with titles both starting with "Why are there laws against" are themselves the answers sought by the questions.


That statement doesn't make any sense to me.


A pot smoker tends to ask "Why are there laws against smoking pot", a person who likes to drive his or her motorcycle without a helmet asks "Why are there laws against driving without a helmet".



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30 Oct 2012, 7:20 pm

thomas81 wrote:
what about in the case of a male animal mounting a human?

How can you argue that its against the animal's will?

Just putting that out there.


I've never been averse to that.



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30 Oct 2012, 8:17 pm

Well, there is "two guys, one horse." Just an example of an animal mounting a human, which did end up killing him.



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30 Oct 2012, 9:44 pm

Health and causing harm is the secular litmus test for everything. If you believe in the God of the bible, you are created in the image of God, you are not to mix up the natural order of things. It is degrading and defacing the human. Much of the laws in the bible regarding animals has to do with the type of human being it produces. Are you or your society cruel? Are you morally perverted? Does wiping out entire species for sport or for convenience elevate you? These are the big questions that we should be concerned about with regards to animals: What does it say about us a species, and are you happy with that...

Even if there was a way to know that an animal is enjoying sex with you, and the animal is not harmed psychologically, and there are no sexually transmissible diseases involved, that does not make it right, but if those are your only objections to the act, then it is possible where there are justifiable cases of Man-Beast sex. We just have some research to do to find out the right scenarios, where the pervert and the animal are unharmed, and mutually satisfied.


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30 Oct 2012, 10:27 pm

I think traditionally bestiality laws weren't for concern for the animal. They might have feared animal-human crossbreeds (before knowing the scientific reasons why this won't work) and zoonosis like brucellosis.
There is a theory that syphilis was a disease of sheep that crossed over to humans due to animal human sexual contact.



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31 Oct 2012, 5:22 am

thomas81 wrote:
TM wrote:
I think the two threads now on this board with titles both starting with "Why are there laws against" are themselves the answers sought by the questions.


That statement doesn't make any sense to me.


If there were a thread entitled "Why are there laws against incest?" then that quip would make sense.

That is: if you're dumb enough to ask that question ( why are there laws against incest) then you must be the product of inbreeding.

Which would actually make-atleast me- laugh.

With beastiality, allowing some comedic license ( humans cant knock up farm animals by shagging them and produce hybrid offspring in real life) its still kinda funny as well. But the quip doesnt really work when applied to pedaphilia.



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31 Oct 2012, 6:08 am

it is legal in denmark provided you can prove the animal did not suffer, how to do that is beyond me.


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31 Oct 2012, 8:18 am

naturalplastic wrote:
That is: if you're dumb enough to ask that question ( why are there laws against incest) then you must be the product of inbreeding.


That's not a very sophisticated answer to a serious question, is it? It's based on sheer prejudice and bigotry and little else.

See here: http://thebackbencher.co.uk/what-is-wrong-with-incest/