Common beliefs of theistic (traditional) Satanists

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18 Nov 2012, 4:26 pm

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Satan is our God. Satan is a real spiritual entity whom we revere.

Satan challenges us to think for ourselves, to question all things, to be strong as individuals, to face down our fears, to be creative, and to become ever more than we are.

All of these are significant challenges. For example, truly thinking for oneself can be very hard work -- though it can also be a lot of fun.

Satan encourages freedom and self-knowledge. And, unlike some other spiritualism, most forms of Satanism are fully compatible with the desire for material success.

Most theistic Satanists believe that Satan does not dictate a system of morality (or anti-morality). Most believe -- at least for the most part -- that it is up to us to decide such matters for ourselves, both as individuals and as groups. (A group does need at least some agreed-upon rules for its members in order to function.)

Yet many also believe that Satan does expect of us some specific attitudes and behaviors. For example, besides the challenges mentioned earlier, most believe that Satan wants us to fulfill any promises made to Satan or to a demon. Some believe that Satan wants us to regard other theistic Satanists (or, at least, other theistic Satanists of one's own particular kind) as family. Some say that Satan deals with different groups and individuals differently, holding them to different standards, depending on who they are and on their circumstances and level of development.

Others believe that Satan asks only that we know who we are and be true to ourselves.

It behooves us to act responsibly. We accept responsibility for all we do. We will choose our responsibilities ourselves and bear them willingly.

As public or semi-public Satanists, we are constrained by practical necessity to obey the laws of the land, though we may work for changes to laws with which we disagree.

We have no consensus on theology. Theistic Satanists may be monotheistic, duo-theistic, polytheistic, pantheistic, or deistic. Some of us base our theology primarily on a reinterpretation of Christianity, while others look to more ancient pagan sources, others look to more modern sources, and most look to some combination of the above. The real truth about Satan -- or any other god -- is probably beyond human understanding.

Long live our differences, lest Satanism become yet another conformist herd.

Rege Satana!


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18 Nov 2012, 4:28 pm

And yes I am a theistic satanist.


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18 Nov 2012, 4:46 pm

While I tend to identify as atheist, I tend to actually follow more along the lines of a nontheistic Satanist. The ideas of personal responsibility, decision making, morality, etc are all very welcoming to me.


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18 Nov 2012, 4:46 pm

abacacus wrote:
While I tend to identify as atheist, I tend to actually follow more along the lines of a nontheistic Satanist. The ideas of personal responsibility, decision making, morality, etc are all very welcoming to me.


That is awesome rock on 8)


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18 Nov 2012, 4:48 pm

abacacus wrote:
While I tend to identify as atheist, I tend to actually follow more along the lines of a nontheistic Satanist. The ideas of personal responsibility, decision making, morality, etc are all very welcoming to me.


Isn't LaVeyan Satanism just moderate Ayn Randianism?


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18 Nov 2012, 4:50 pm

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abacacus wrote:
While I tend to identify as atheist, I tend to actually follow more along the lines of a nontheistic Satanist. The ideas of personal responsibility, decision making, morality, etc are all very welcoming to me.


Isn't LaVeyan Satanism just moderate Ayn Randianism?


No completely different.


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18 Nov 2012, 4:51 pm

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abacacus wrote:
While I tend to identify as atheist, I tend to actually follow more along the lines of a nontheistic Satanist. The ideas of personal responsibility, decision making, morality, etc are all very welcoming to me.


Isn't LaVeyan Satanism just moderate Ayn Randianism?


Yeah, sort of. Hardly an ideal system, really, but it's what works for me.


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18 Nov 2012, 4:53 pm

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Master_Pedant wrote:
abacacus wrote:
While I tend to identify as atheist, I tend to actually follow more along the lines of a nontheistic Satanist. The ideas of personal responsibility, decision making, morality, etc are all very welcoming to me.


Isn't LaVeyan Satanism just moderate Ayn Randianism?


Yeah, sort of. Hardly an ideal system, really, but it's what works for me.


Anton LaVeyan is considered a prophet.


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18 Nov 2012, 4:53 pm

It is weird to worship the character from someone else's narrative. Why didn't you just make up your own deity?


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18 Nov 2012, 4:54 pm

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It is weird to worship the character from someone else's narrative. Why didn't you just make up your own deity?


Why do you worship an amalgam of other deities under one name? :lol:


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18 Nov 2012, 4:55 pm

We did his name is the "Horn God".


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18 Nov 2012, 4:56 pm

Satanist wrote:

No completely different.


Wiki thinks otherwise

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LaVeyan Satanism, often referred to simply as Satanism among most adherents is a religion founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control and "eye for an eye" morality, drawing influences from the rituals and ceremonies of occultist Aleister Crowley and the philosophies of Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

Both "philosophies" have the "don't tread on me", "f*ck other people, I've got mine" mentality.


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18 Nov 2012, 4:58 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Satanist wrote:

No completely different.


Wiki thinks otherwise

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LaVeyan Satanism, often referred to simply as Satanism among most adherents is a religion founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control and "eye for an eye" morality, drawing influences from the rituals and ceremonies of occultist Aleister Crowley and the philosophies of Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

Both "philosophies" have the "don't tread on me", "f*ck other people, I've got mine" mentality.


Wiki is not a reliable source.


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18 Nov 2012, 4:59 pm

Satanist wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Satanist wrote:

No completely different.


Wiki thinks otherwise

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LaVeyan Satanism, often referred to simply as Satanism among most adherents is a religion founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control and "eye for an eye" morality, drawing influences from the rituals and ceremonies of occultist Aleister Crowley and the philosophies of Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

Both "philosophies" have the "don't tread on me", "f*ck other people, I've got mine" mentality.


Wiki is not a reliable source.


Sources aside, he's right. Satanism draws a lot from Randian style thinking and morality. You can deny that all you want, but that would be lying to yourself, which I thought was one of Satanism's cardinal sins?


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18 Nov 2012, 5:01 pm

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Wiki is not a reliable source.


Wasn't the "reliability" dispute settled in 2005?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm


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18 Nov 2012, 5:02 pm

abacacus wrote:
Satanist wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
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No completely different.


Wiki thinks otherwise

Quote:
LaVeyan Satanism, often referred to simply as Satanism among most adherents is a religion founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control and "eye for an eye" morality, drawing influences from the rituals and ceremonies of occultist Aleister Crowley and the philosophies of Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

Both "philosophies" have the "don't tread on me", "f*ck other people, I've got mine" mentality.


Wiki is not a reliable source.


Sources aside, he's right. Satanism draws a lot from Randian style thinking and morality. You can deny that all you want, but that would be lying to yourself, which I thought was one of Satanism's cardinal sins?


Good point thank you for pointing that out.


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