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18 Dec 2012, 2:41 am

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-575597 ... ty-halted/

Since the Newtown, Connecticut shooting, the NRA has simply disappeared from the Internet.

What's going on here? I thought they would be up in arms (no pun intended) about the calls for a new Assault Weapons Ban.


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18 Dec 2012, 3:02 am

it might be that they (rightgully so) dont want to bring politics into the discussion yet, others should take a clue from them if tthat is the case.


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18 Dec 2012, 3:07 am

They very well may be afraid if they started spouting gun rights jargon after the Connecticut school shooting, they might literally be lynched in the streets.

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18 Dec 2012, 3:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
They very well may be afraid if they started spouting gun rights jargon after the Connecticut school shooting, they might literally be lynched in the streets.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Not surprising, the original gun control advocates were the KKK.

Be fun to see them try it again, though. I've got my mags loaded.

Realistically, I agree with Oodain; the NRA is demonstrating significantly more class than anti-rights groups and individuals.



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18 Dec 2012, 3:36 am

JBlitzen wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
They very well may be afraid if they started spouting gun rights jargon after the Connecticut school shooting, they might literally be lynched in the streets.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Not surprising, the original gun control advocates were the KKK.

Be fun to see them try it again, though. I've got my mags loaded.

Realistically, I agree with Oodain; the NRA is demonstrating significantly more class than anti-rights groups and individuals.


The KKK were the original gun control advocates? Say again? The Klan in fact defied federal law during reconstruction, and stored up arms to fight so called carpet baggers, union troops, and to suppress black freedmen.

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18 Dec 2012, 3:44 am

Evening, Bill.

Check this out:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092699.htm

or this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States)

or this:

http://www.examiner.com/article/kkk-began-as-gun-control-organization-confirms-racist-roots-of-gun-control

That's the federal info. NYS's gun control laws are rooted in the Sullivan Act, which is thought to have been passed partially as a means of restricting gun ownership to "approved" races, in this case excluding italians and other immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act#Controversy


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18 Dec 2012, 4:03 am

JBlitzen wrote:
Evening, Bill.

Check this out:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092699.htm

or this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States)

or this:

http://www.examiner.com/article/kkk-began-as-gun-control-organization-confirms-racist-roots-of-gun-control

That's the federal info. NYS's gun control laws are rooted in the Sullivan Act, which is thought to have been passed partially as a means of restricting gun ownership to "approved" races, in this case excluding italians and other immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act#Controversy


Yes, of course racists didn't want blacks and other minorities to own firearms.
But on the reverse side, any infringement on the right to bear arms for whites was vehemently fought. On top of that, not only was the Klan involved in this hypocritical way of thinking, but so were rifle clubs springing up around the south - which would become the NRA.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 Dec 2012, 4:12 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
JBlitzen wrote:
Evening, Bill.

Check this out:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092699.htm

or this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States)

or this:

http://www.examiner.com/article/kkk-began-as-gun-control-organization-confirms-racist-roots-of-gun-control

That's the federal info. NYS's gun control laws are rooted in the Sullivan Act, which is thought to have been passed partially as a means of restricting gun ownership to "approved" races, in this case excluding italians and other immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act#Controversy


Yes, of course racists didn't want blacks and other minorities to own firearms.
But on the reverse side, any infringement on the right to bear arms for whites was vehemently fought. On top of that, not only was the Klan involved in this hypocritical way of thinking, but so were rifle clubs springing up around the south - which would become the NRA.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


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Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. Senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.



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18 Dec 2012, 4:20 am

Bingo.

Seriously Bill, the narrative you've been fed is so blatantly wrong that it's actually startling.


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18 Dec 2012, 4:25 am

1000Knives wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JBlitzen wrote:
Evening, Bill.

Check this out:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092699.htm

or this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States)

or this:

http://www.examiner.com/article/kkk-began-as-gun-control-organization-confirms-racist-roots-of-gun-control

That's the federal info. NYS's gun control laws are rooted in the Sullivan Act, which is thought to have been passed partially as a means of restricting gun ownership to "approved" races, in this case excluding italians and other immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act#Controversy


Yes, of course racists didn't want blacks and other minorities to own firearms.
But on the reverse side, any infringement on the right to bear arms for whites was vehemently fought. On top of that, not only was the Klan involved in this hypocritical way of thinking, but so were rifle clubs springing up around the south - which would become the NRA.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Quote:
Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. Senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.


Thank you for the correction. But the fact remains, gun clubs in the south during reconstruction were just as guilty of suppressing gun ownership among blacks while advocating arming white supremacists as the Klan was.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 Dec 2012, 4:35 am

Edit: I'll retract that snippy comment because of your graciousness.

Instead, I'll point out that southern politics in the post-war period was dominated by Democrats of the same party that fought to defend slavery. Gun ranges in those regions were no doubt similarly dominated.

Though the inability of blacks to legally own firearms in those states probably made range rules a non-issue.


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18 Dec 2012, 4:46 am

I got an email from the NRA today promoting their business alliance activities. I can't imagine Chris Cox,especially, lying down and letting this happen willfully. I'm assuming it's the NRA's turn to "work under the radar" now.

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Yes, of course racists didn't want blacks and other minorities to own firearms.
But on the reverse side, any infringement on the right to bear arms for whites was vehemently fought. On top of that, not only was the Klan involved in this hypocritical way of thinking, but so were rifle clubs springing up around the south - which would become the NRA.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Do your homework. The NRA was founded by Union officers.


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18 Dec 2012, 5:24 am

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Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. Senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.


which, is where we get the word 'side burns' because Gen Burnside had gorgeous ones! (no kidding!)


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18 Dec 2012, 9:38 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
They very well may be afraid if they started spouting gun rights jargon after the Connecticut school shooting, they might literally be lynched in the streets.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yet another Liberal fantasy.

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18 Dec 2012, 12:11 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JBlitzen wrote:
Evening, Bill.

Check this out:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092699.htm

or this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States)

or this:

http://www.examiner.com/article/kkk-began-as-gun-control-organization-confirms-racist-roots-of-gun-control

That's the federal info. NYS's gun control laws are rooted in the Sullivan Act, which is thought to have been passed partially as a means of restricting gun ownership to "approved" races, in this case excluding italians and other immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act#Controversy


Yes, of course racists didn't want blacks and other minorities to own firearms.
But on the reverse side, any infringement on the right to bear arms for whites was vehemently fought. On top of that, not only was the Klan involved in this hypocritical way of thinking, but so were rifle clubs springing up around the south - which would become the NRA.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Quote:
Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. Senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.


Thank you for the correction. But the fact remains, gun clubs in the south during reconstruction were just as guilty of suppressing gun ownership among blacks while advocating arming white supremacists as the Klan was.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That's wonderful, but we're talking about the NRA here, not random "gun clubs."

Anyway, I don't like the NRA, as they're just a gun manufacturer lobby, and basically all the gun control in US is done to "create jobs" by silliness like 922r compliance. Also, the GCA of 1968 was pushed by Walther, to get rid of competition from other Euro pistols in USA, as Walther were the only people with guns with loaded chamber indicators and whatnot. This also created jobs in America with stupid Jennings/Bryco/etc "Saturday Night Special" pistols.



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18 Dec 2012, 12:32 pm

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I got an email from the NRA today promoting their business alliance activities. I can't imagine Chris Cox,especially, lying down and letting this happen willfully. I'm assuming it's the NRA's turn to "work under the radar" now.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Yes, of course racists didn't want blacks and other minorities to own firearms.
But on the reverse side, any infringement on the right to bear arms for whites was vehemently fought. On top of that, not only was the Klan involved in this hypocritical way of thinking, but so were rifle clubs springing up around the south - which would become the NRA.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Do your homework. The NRA was founded by Union officers.


If you read the above comments, you'll find I already apologized for my error. I simply misremembered something I had read about southern gun clubs Post-Civil War.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer