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i dont know what anybody else thinks in this country but i am just about annoyed with the constant ctitiscism that people claiming esa on the welfare system are trying hard to evade 'opportunities' that are coming their way, well excuse me,- but dont you think if there were some kind of national outburst of people coming forwards my way and telling me that i could improve on my work experience that i would have settled in something by now?
Basically, if you'e unemployed and been out of work for five years then your basically scrapped out of all the books that were formally designed to help people back on the job market and to undergo sufficient training to improve their skills.
All this i know and more and maybe added to the point of what all this issue entails is the reason of judging a persons character and standing in a by election that you feel has nothing to do with you but then realise somehow it does and without having a say in democratic affairs your forever sitting on the fence of society forever looking into a pit of self decrepidness and despair at what you feel the job market currently holds.
What i would say is in order to follow the necessary guidelines that politicians and all leaders alike will say and imply people to do then you must be willing to show an empathy for what the the current economic downturn has failed to provide and, in actual fact for someone with any degree of illness or complaint to stand up for themselves now would be like turning themselves in to the vicious onslaught and circle of doubt that is happening around them and letting these so called, 'powers of persuasion' and letting immigrants take stock of a country that has had to learn to adapt and readapt in countless and reproductive ways in order to survive the civil service that has been thown amongst us and let us pick up the pieces when the E.u has turned its back on us and let us take a bullet for them when it was never our business to get involved in the first place.
The war for humanity is a constant battle and an endless struggle and so with this in mind how many more countless times can we survive our instincts without jeopardising what may or not be already lost in the battle for a better economic climate and welfare system. including our natural environment.
So , stop picking on people who struggle with failure through their past and try to learn more about us so you can see the bigger picture once and for all, and give us a proper say in what we can and cant do so that society can be a much fairer place to live in and not just because the welfare budget has had to pick up its last bill and realise that there is a problem after all.

Last edited by glow on 16 Feb 2013, 2:12 am, edited 1 time in total.

Protip: If you want people to read (and respond to) your posts, then you should focus on being more concise in your posts...

There is a problem with the widespread demonisation of the working classes as "benefit scrounging scum".

I don't see the relevance of the EU- if anything, the EU has made Britain a much better place to be a worker.

Does the shoe fit? The British Trades Unions raised featherbedding to a High Art.

ruveyn

[quote="GGPViper"]Protip: If you want people to read (and respond to) your posts, then you should focus on being more concise in your posts...[/quote]

why should i be 'concise'? when your clearly not from these parts. if you want to get 'serious;' i suggest you send me a private message whereby i might answer you fully.

The working classes are by definition working.

What sort of trade union would you be in if you are not in any industry?

Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of militant trade unions.

Pretty much the only militant trade union with any real power left in UK is bob crow's RMT.

He calls a strike without majority vote.

[quote="0_equals_true"]The working classes are by definition [i]working[/i].

What sort of trade union would you be in if you are not in any industry?

Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of militant trade unions.[/quote]

soulless words from someone who would have no knowledge of the system as it stands today or otherwise ever!
why dont you deface the rest of the nation with what you have to say and then maybe that will drive the rest of the workforce out of britain
alltogether?
this site is really full of itself lately. why dont you reply in response to the thread as if you had gathered my speech wasnt on trade unions but rather whos knowingly shutting all work-forces down and getting away with it. try and follow the topic if you can.

@glow ??? what are you on about? I don't think you get the gist of my post.

In order for capitalism to work in the favor of employers and owners of businesses there has to be a surplus in the work force. If there was full employment then business owners would lose a lot of power to operate their businesses competitively.

Having 2.5million plus unemployed is good for business owners, it means that they can cherry pick potential employees and pay less for more work. It also means their current employees will be more obedient because they fear losing their jobs.

Putting down the unemployed (which is a conservative party pastime) demonstrates the nastiness of people in our society. The unemployed are necessary for employers to maintain power over their businesses so their presence is required.

The question I think the conservative party is getting round to is: should we pay people to be unemployed?

'and if you're not a tory, you wouldn't be defending your case now would you?!"
the maggie days are never far from the watchful eye of the nation and you're stepping over thin ground when you're saying things like that which have nothing to do with the helpless poor or needy.
get off your soapbox and pay attention to all those faceless ads that are forcing people into jobs they would rather not spend countless hours day after day throwing away themselves to a blind cause when it wouldn't matter to the shape or state of the economy as it is now in today because its still us the people who have been proud members of this divine and both torturous nation to defend ourselves in plight of attack from across the borders of injustice, and you want a more abundant harvest in springtime? then why dont you go looking for one in the E.u and tell me what vegetation you would bring back.
one cannot control an arguement that has already grown selfish in response to humankind and nature far beyond a crisis out of hand. get ready to endure a harsh climax of reality checks otherwise.

I am saying that I don't think we should put down the unemployed, or call them "scroungers", because our system requires unemployment.

Our current system is firmly on the side of the business owners and not on the side of the worker, and definitely not on the side of the unemployed.

I am not a tory.

[quote="Robdemanc"]
I am not a tory.[/quote]

what are you then? id love to know, seeing as you're not even diagnosed so what are you claiming? before you were saying should people pay for the unemployed not to work? so you're obviously not working or got anything actually 'wrong' with you then?

I said that I think the conservative party are trying to make people question whether the unemployed should be paid because they are always demonizing those out of work.

Being undiagnosed has nothing to do what I am saying about that.

Whether I am working or not is irrelevant. Whether anything is 'wrong' with me makes little difference to this topic.

the problem with an 'unemployed union' is that it has no 'labour' to withdraw as an act of industrial action.

Don't get me wrong, I would love the idea, I just don't see how it would work.

However the tories workfare scheme could just give it practicality.

why dont you try a workfare scheme yourself? eh- but no. you're probably closer to retirement these days than you think.right? anyway, for those living in the southern regions of the country finding work makes life incredibly hard for us and those who are just struggling already to meet fuel payments and such. many of them will get time off work for silly things and others are probably genuinely disabled. whatever the financial cost of the dilema that the so called parties have put us in, its hardly going to right the wrongdoing of a nation lost to its own goodwill and right is it? they're rembrandting on that it would be good to get disabled staff as it is known in this country regardless of race or nationality or condition that they would like to see some of the wider retail chains such as poundland to enforce some of the government schemes into use as it would drive the system out of the economy and into the hands of future taxpayers money.. well i cant see whatsoever what the likelihood of thats going to be like for the millions of us who've never even seen a paycheque float into our pockets or out on the street. its not going to make britain pay but starve under these ill-fitting conditions better suited to wage cuts and false misinterpretaion that have led many people on the brink of euphanasia or hard-strapped. the only thing that is going to make a difference in this world is to scrap some of the poor suggestions that have made only a poor readers digest worse by insinuating they scrap the pound in place of a future currency and push all of labours plans out of the ocean that limited the anounts of people getting esa and those who wont have a future as they're stopping all new claimants from going onto it after such a time as is necessary for the torries to win more votes and strive for a better economy through the eyes of migrant workers rather than the manufactures who helped shift this country from the ration line back onto front line management. All that is left or going to be left of this pittiful crowd is a tissue to wipe their noses and a thug on the loose saying they've got this or that wrong with them when really all they've got is no penny to scratch their arses with and a lot of bills mounting up behind them. or in a single claimants case a run of bad jobs a track record of unfinished business at the fine end of the spectrum and nowhere to sign an undisclosed document on an answered and incredibly heart-breaking deal of schemes that could forfeit an entire companys regulations in one week never mind an economic class act of disclosure or empire of untrained staff and uncivil market values .

one act that will be put through in time is the autism right to work act which will be based on those staff following set values and work regimes that wont even allow for an unmarketed value of the pound vs the euro to stand in their way of whats right. and those who are willing fit and healthy to work will do so despite foreign officals distracting the right way to handle business and instead finding the correct way to respect and manage trained and underqualifed staff.
hope this has settled the score on the levels of retribution tried and tested in this country over the years of cross-examination and deranged staff on a quest to solve the myth behind autism and autistic mindsets and values. thank you and goodnight.