Hindu extremists in India claim Valentine's Day causes rape

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It's unfair to say that primitive, bronze-age, barbaric, violently sexist, misogynistic and hateful bigotry is the sole domain of Islamist bigot in India and Pakistan. No, far from it (just consider the Delhi rapes). Never fear, for these extremist Hindu savages pretty much bark up the same hateful tree:

Now, I'm onboard - to an extent - with the idea of not liking Valentine's Day. It's a massively fake day of saccharine, forced overcommercialisation. But this is just woman hatred.

I feel sorry for their mothers, personally. Benighted gits.

I don't think India is a good place to be making this claim, but I do sort of agree that "following Western traditions in general leads to rapes and other sexual assaults." The West teaches men to be aggressive and sexist. This may carry over into NT Valentine's Day traditions. Not sure. In countries where it's more socially acceptable for men to be effeminate, such as China, rape is very rare. In others, like Japan, it became common only after the Western influence took over.

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Look at the rights of women in Africa or many Islamic countries, then come back to me.

W = S. Therefore, NW = NS.

Logical fallacy. And not what I said at all.

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Well, his point was that if you say"the West teaches men to be aggressive and sexist", then it sounds like you're implying that the East teaches men something different. Otherwise you would just say "the world or the societies of today's world" teach men to be aggressive and sexist. If you look at a lot of eastern countries you can find many examples of men being aggressive and sexist.

I never said anything about the East and would disagree with the existence of such a concept (and since when is Africa "the East" as opposed to the "West"?). I think rape is a worse problem in the West (and Islamic countries for similar reasons) than it is in SOME non-Western countries for reasons that have to do with Western culture. Islam is based on the same Bible as Christianity. Maybe it has a connection to Valentine's Day, maybe not.

There are East Asian countries where women regularly walk the city streets at night without much to fear, something that is not true in the U.S. or most Western countries.

The U.S. is exceptionally (by global standards) full of aggressive, sexist men and, consequently, has a higher rape rate than some secular progressive feminist countries, such as Nigeria.

The cultural influence of the Indo-European Aryans who had conquered India still lives on, and there was absolutely nothing effeminate, gentle, or peace loving about them.
They didn't need Valentine's Day to inspire them to rape and murder the Dravidian native women of ancient India.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

When you make generalizations about the West and what the West teaches men then you imply a dichotomy of West vs. East.

Rapes are probably also reported more often in western countries than in some Eastern countries . I had a friend from Bangladesh in uni and she told me that in the part of the country she lived in anyway, women were shamed and blamed for rape and children for molestation to the point that the women were often better off if they didn't report these incidents but these things happened all the time. Where she lived women were often molested on public buses if they weren't accompanied by someone who stopped it.

Also Christianity is not the only religion that encourages men to be aggressive and sexist and I don't think it does so any more than Judaism or Islam the other major world religions. Show me evidence that Christianity encourages these things and not just religion in general if you can.

How does Christianity, a religion where the ideal sexual morality is having sex with ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE but your one, and only one wife after you are married or, better yet, nobody at all, encourage men to commit rape?

Has there never been a case of an atheist raping somebody or something?

Apart from the culture differences here, I do think there is substance to the claim...after all, Men are put under enormous pressure to be 'romantic' - I would bet that many Women feel pressure on Valentine's Night for some sort of 'romance' - even if it's by themselves for themselves!

No, of-course atheists commit rape too. My only point is that most of the cultures of the world, both eastern and western or have churned out aggressive men who rape as rape is a worldwide major problem. Whatever it is that causes this (genetics, culture, both, other ect) is not more prevalent or caused by some attitude in the west or in Christianity. South East Asian countries like India and Pakistan also have major problems with rape, for example. Culture has been largely influenced by religion though, especially the major religions of the world , Christianity, Judaism and Islam but contrary to what the other poster said about Christianity in particular influencing western culture and promoting aggression, I'm just saying that the other religions also influence eastern cultures which also end up leading to aggressive behaviour. How much the religion has to do with it I'm not sure.....but certainly the major religions have had an important impact on most cultures.

*aside*I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with any of these religions or religion in general...I'm actually not an atheist. I do think that religious nuts who take scripture literally cause a lot of strife in the world.*aside*

Wasn't the Forbidden City pretty much a temple full of the emperor's rape victims? I mean I bet a lot of those women didn't even want to be there. Saying the Far East doesn't have sexual violence is a form of the Noble Savage fallacy imo.

Ah, it was the "more than religion in general" comment that threw me off.

In any case look back at my post I was overly hostile in retrospect and offer my apologies for that.

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Oh that's okay........I think I worded my post poorly too. I didn't mean to just insult religion , though I see how it could have been interpreted that way. What I meant was just that there's nothing about Christianity that encourages aggression and sexism more than other religions of the world.

This makes my point in a much better, more concise way than my original post. Way before eastern countries were westernised and in the context of traditional eastern practices which haven't been "corrupted" by western ways rape was/is a big problem.