Government Ministers and thier Lies

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Why do we let government ministers get away with making false statements:

Enough Jobs to Go Round

According to a government minister there are "enough jobs to go round". Why do we tolerate these statements?

This minister needs sacking so she can experience the difficulty in finding a job herself.

With working for some people they may be able to work or to find a vacancy that they can apply for. But what is the issue is that if one fills in the application form for a job no matter what the job applied for involves. One would be shortlisted in for an interview and the job goes to the one who has the gift of the gab in the interview and when people say why should my taxes pay for your benefits? and the usual benefit scrounger abuse that is given and pushed around in internet forums especially from those who give the impression they are two steps away from needing a stint on a therapeutic community (psychotherapy for allistic people). One has to ask how do they pay their taxes? The answer to that is through working but how is that achieved since we are still in the second Great Depression? Then one comes to a conclusion that one has got he job in the first place only because he or she has the gift of the gab in the job interview or just for being allistic. There is a lot said in the media about youth unemployment especially the 16-25 age group but there are a lot of people out of work that are in their 40s and 50s that may never get into the work place so have to have their fingers in more than one pie. When taking into consideration that some people have an autistic spectrum condition such as Asperger syndrome there are difficulties with non verbal communication comprehension which can hamper a person's performance in a job interview and for people on the autistic spectrum it is difficult for people to have their fingers in more than one pie (being flexible in what one is prepared to do as a job). As for the older people they amy have to either find their own way or create their job and train for it themselves either with support or without it. If there are a lot of jobs to go round I wonder how many of them are suitable for people on the autistic spectrum especially those at the higher end of the autistic spectrum rather than doing nothing or going into one of these so called services which local comapnies use the people as a source of free or slave like labour whilst the people doing the work get emotionally abused thus putting some off of working. Not through bone idleness but because of a bad experience at a training centre or similar service causing ergophobia (a fear of the workplace). OK some autistic people wouldn't mind a job in their local branch of Tesco but not all are like that and there would be a lot of issues of underemployment as well.

People in government always lie. It is a qualifying requirement to hold any kind of government position.

ruveyn

I beg your pardon?

I have never once lied in my capacity as a public servant. I don't lie to my Minister, I don't lie to my department's clients and I don't lie to the public (not that my Minister let's me speak to the public, but that's another story). I may withhold information that I am not permitted to reveal. But I never make a statement that contradicts information that is known to me and not known to the people across the table.

If you cannot distinguish between government and politics, you have a great deal of learning to do.

It is interesting that in the house of commons there is a rule that does not permit members to accuse each other of lying.

I think this is in place because if it were not they would spend all of their time calling each other liars.

Do you blow the whistle. Then if you are not a liar you are an accomplice to liars which is just as bad.

Why does a nice fellow like you even work for government?

There are two things I don't do. 1. Buy the services of prostitutes and 2. Work for government. I gave that up in the year 1968.

ruveyn

I have never once--in my entire career--been confronted with a circumstance in which the whistle need have been blown. And should the circumstance ever arise in which I need to blow the whistle, I already know precisely who to call.

I have, however, been in the position of investigating the wrongdoing of a subordinate, which I undertook without hesitation or reservation.

I work for government because:

1) Public service is a noble calling
2) There is work that is unique to government. You can do things in the public sector that simply do not exist in the private sector.
3) The public service, as an employer, puts a strong emphasis on work-life balance, and provides working conditions that suit my needs
4) I am well paid for my work--not as well paid as I would be in the private sector, but sufficiently well to have all of my reasonable needs met, and that compensation will continue into my retirement.

Good enough reasons?

If it is paid for by money taken at gunpoint or the threat thereof then you are an accomplice to theft.

Rationalize all you want, you are party to a violent organization.

A decent fellow like you should work where the payment for your services is voluntary.

ruveyn

You are a liar and a hypocrite of the first order, so you are in no position to pretend that my reasons constitute rationalization.

You have admitted time and again that government is a necessary evil, and that taxation is a necessary means to fund the activities of government.

You cannot now pretent that tax is taken at gunpoint (it isn't), or that the violence that the system does involve (peace officers and armed forces) are not--at least in essence--legitimate extensions of the government's responsibility.

All you are doing is exposing your feet of clay.

A necessary evil is an evil. I would not be a proud government worker. I would feel guilty, ashamed and soiled.

If it is necessary then so be it, but we need not rejoice over an evil necessity.

Taxation is still armed robbery except in the case of avoidable usage tax. One pays that voluntarily.

And what you call "public service" still involves the imposition of one person's will upon another whether that person consents or not.

The necessity for government is the witness and testimony to the depravity of some humans. If there were only good humans we would not need government at all.

ruveyn

I would say government exist to co-ordinate the running of a country/society. It is not just to keep depraved humans in line.

No one can define what a "good human" is.

I would feel ashamed and soiled if I failed to respond to my country's need. Even if government is evil (which I don't concede) it is necessary. So somebody has to do it. So even if I accept your description of government, the nobility of the public servant remains, because the public servant is doing the duty that others are unwilling to do.

I would feel ashamed to repeat the lie embedded in the metaphor of tax as armed robbery. (When is the last time that the IRS or the CRA used force of arms to collect tax without sanction of the courts? Cite me an instance, or accept the label of liar.) The force of law, is different from the force of arms.

I would feel ashamed to impose one person's will upon another. But I don't. I impose Parliament's will. I act in accordance with the statutes that authorize me to act. I act in accordance with the decisions that my minister takes within his jurisdiction (which is also conferred by statutes). My Minister is capacitated to make those decisions because my Minister is answerable to Parliament, by whose sufferance, the government remains in office. If the Ministry fails to keep faith with the electorate, my Minister and his Cabinet colleagues will soon enough loose the authority to make decisions when the government falls, and a new Prime Minister will create a new Ministry.

You are so wound up in your own rhetoric that you refuse to look in the mirror and see your own hypocrisy.

If there is anything to be ashamed of, it is that. You are soiled by your own words. G-d gave you an intellect, and you spit in the face of that gift when you fail to use it.