Foreign Policy, Accountibility, and Personal Responsibility

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cubedemon6073
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02 Dec 2013, 11:45 am

Why don't the ideas and concepts of personal responsibility ever seem to apply to American Foreign policy? Has any one of our leaders ever been tried convicted in a foreign court in recent times? What makes our leaders and we as a people above all of the other people? Who are we as a nation and our leaders accountable to? Who do we answer to? Can we as a nation display irresponsibility towards the rest of the world and the leaders do so as well? Has this ever happened? What was done to make people accountable? How is our foreign policy a responsible foreign policy? How does our foreign policy display personal responsibility? How can we as a nation hold any other nation accountable if we refuse to be held accountable ourselves?



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02 Dec 2013, 12:16 pm

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02 Dec 2013, 2:35 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
Why don't the ideas and concepts of personal responsibility ever seem to apply to American Foreign policy? Has any one of our leaders ever been tried convicted in a foreign court in recent times? What makes our leaders and we as a people above all of the other people? Who are we as a nation and our leaders accountable to? Who do we answer to? Can we as a nation display irresponsibility towards the rest of the world and the leaders do so as well? Has this ever happened? What was done to make people accountable? How is our foreign policy a responsible foreign policy? How does our foreign policy display personal responsibility? How can we as a nation hold any other nation accountable if we refuse to be held accountable ourselves?


Well, the US has a powerful military and wins its conventional battles. In order for any leader to be tried in a foreign court, they generally have to lose a war, regardless of whatever crimes they have perpetrated.



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02 Dec 2013, 3:37 pm

I think I can put together a conclusion.

Most people and countries are not moral and virtuous because morality and virtue are good in themselves and uplifts our lives but because it used as a way of control within the given culture. Virtue and morality is not about what is right but is about power, dominance and control.

People don't try to discover and reason to greater truths. They follow the programming set down by the given culture they're in mostly without question.



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02 Dec 2013, 5:18 pm

If you're too powerful to be held accountable, the rule of law can't be enforced. Good diplomacy requires you to feign a sincere interest in accountability and a desire to comply with international laws, treaties, ect. But in practice, we're waging proxy wars and vying for additional power using highly illegal methods. So yeah, Realpolitik.



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02 Dec 2013, 5:52 pm

TheGoggles wrote:
If you're too powerful to be held accountable, the rule of law can't be enforced. Good diplomacy requires you to feign a sincere interest in accountability and a desire to comply with international laws, treaties, ect. But in practice, we're waging proxy wars and vying for additional power using highly illegal methods. So yeah, Realpolitik.


I understand what you're saying.



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02 Dec 2013, 6:09 pm

I do not want to be grouped in with the sociopaths in Washington DC. The people of a nation should not be held accountable for the irresponsible decisions of those who hold high political office. They do not represent the interests of the people.


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02 Dec 2013, 7:04 pm

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I do not want to be grouped in with the sociopaths in Washington DC. The people of a nation should not be held accountable for the irresponsible decisions of those who hold high political office. They do not represent the interests of the people.


Yes, they are a part of the responsibility and accountability pie but who are the ones who get them elected? Who are the ones who give our rubber stamp of approval by voting for them time and time again? Who are the ones who help to shape public policy by their beliefs without questioning their own beliefs? Who are the ones who give approval to the very beliefs that shape our nation and our culture? Is not our government the reflection of those who put them into power in the first place?

For the employers, let's ask the similar questions? Who are the ones who give rubber stamp approval to beliefs that allow employers to do what they do? For everyone who read this, take a look in the mirror? It is not the government that is the problem. Reagan was right on this. We're all the problem. Our very culture is the problem. Our beliefs that metaphorically give the beast life is the problem. We are all guilty in someway. We all choose to submit to this metaphorical beast. The truth is our problems are systemic and ontological.

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