Discussion of privilegue, I guess.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypa ... y_disorder

It looks like based on the above description of SPD that one would have to exhibit "non-rational thinking"; wherein in autism one would exhibit "rational thinking".

Edit: Social withdrawal for SPD might be because of paranoid ideas. While autistic social withdrawal may be because of not connecting with others.

I'm not sure if it's as simple as that. Phenomenological psychiatric researchers have noted that in response to perplexity (i.e. difficulty understanding social and other situations, confusion about why some terms represent things and others represent other things, etc.), many people on the schizophrenia spectrum have adopted an attitude called morbid rationalism, in which they see social interactions as being entirely rule-based. They give the example of a schizoid father who buys as a present for his dying daugther a coffin, because that's what she's going to need when she dies. More information on this phenomenon, called schizophrenic autism, can be found in this 2002 article in World Psychiatry:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1489853/

EDIT: There is this quote from one of Minkowski's patients who was diagnosed on the schizophrenia spectrum:

Hmm... that is what I asserted some members were doing on another thread with regards to "privilege".

The assertion that "white privilege" exists - i.e., actual real world advantage over non-white people - without mitigating it per co-existing disadvantages - seemed like an "absolutist viewpoint".

Please note that we have a lovely section dedicated to politics where you may discuss something as fascinating as privilegue if you must.

Try to avoid bringing up said topics outside of it if you can since some members feel that its hard to focus on the real topic once the subject comes up and things eventually lead to a lock.

Any further discussion will lead to a split thread on PPR.

Thanks for taking your time to read this

Ahhh ... the slipperly slope fallacy ... don't talk about A, because of B, and then event C of "lock happens".

You presume that intelligent people cannot discuss the relevance of the document cited that shows how "absolute rationality" can exist in someone with a schizophrenia spectrum disorder.

I pointed out that "absolute rationality" is not really rational e.g., as cited with the "white privilege". So, does it really establish rationality ? With regards to the "morbid rationality", well, as the article admits, is very odd to buy a coffin for Christmas. The article seems to fail to convince me that a person with a schizophrenia spectrum disorder, such as SPD , has "true rationality".

Thus, there still appears to be a distinction, perhaps, less so though. Thoughts ? This appears to agree with the Wikipedia page per SPD, that there is some irrational thinking happening in SPD - even if the symptoms are the same in autism and SPD.

Edit: It is evident that autistic people can be irrational. So, then we are back to no distinction. Unless "rationality" is defined in a such a way as to be a minimal degree of difference from the consensus opinion about what is rational, then SPD would be seen as "far from the norm" to be labeled as irrational.

Thus, perhaps, the distinction is a degree of rationality.

Last edited by LoveNotHate on 22 Feb 2014, 3:35 am, edited 1 time in total.

I would love to keep this discussion going but sadly I need to go do some homework now.

Please note that a new thread has been created where we may discuss privilege freely(hopefully everyone involved can behave this time) and I will get back to you with a reply in a few hours.

Spongy , have some class and don't make topics in other people's name.

1. You appear to know nothing about what is being discussed.

2. Next time be honest, and say, "Look if this thread does not go the way I like , then I will arbitrary move it".

3. I will report this to the moderators. because it is low class to make threads in my name and falsely claim they are regarding a topic that I care nothing about.

4. You make a slippery slope argument that argument that absolutism will lead to a locked thread. Well, as we find out, that was all B.S., because all you actually did was move the thread yourself without any arguments or discussions. If you were honest, then you would of said that initially, instead of suggesting a slippery slope of events.

5. We are discussing the rationality/irrationality of absolutism as the basis for distinguishing schizophrenic spectrum disorders from autistic spectrum disorders. My last point was that based on the wiki page, it seems like at best the distinction is a degree of separation from the consensus opinion about what is rational. So, that autistic people can be irrational and appear odd, their degree from the normal is not as great as the degree of distinction from someone with a schizophrenic spectrum condition ?? The "privilege" example merely demonstrates an example wherein absolute rationality is not true rationality.

6. I will graduate now. Good luck all. This site is a great service. I am just too intelligent for participation here.

It was interesting. I found out a lot of stuff about autism. I still have some gaps, but I got linked into where I can find information.

You guys are doing a good service.

Thanks. (Delete this topic and my account upon reading, thanks)

I am sorry that you feel offended I moved this however there is an explanation behind this madness so lets get started explaining things.

- First and foremost: While most members are grown adults capable of having a reasonable debate respecting each other there are some topics that are a little hard to deal for some people.
Said topics will now be reffered to as heated topics.
A member that behaves respectfully in just about every discussion can often lose their temper when debating a heated topic.

- This brings us to a dilemma.
Should said members be allowed to lose their temper just because they cant handle heated topics?.
Should we just ban all discussion of heated topics?.
Or are there any other alternatives?

-The solution alex, this website's founder, found was to created a section different from all other sections on his where you are expected to be able to hold your temper.
Can't hold your temper? That is fine, please avoid said section of the website.

Lets now address your concerns:
-I warned you that any further discussion of this heated topic would lead to a split on this very section at my original reply, which was created for heated topics, and that is exactly what I did. If you didnt want to find yourself in a new thread you could have just dropped the heated issue of privilege

-Heated topics will lead to a lock on any section other than this one in over 90% of the situations.
That is not a slippery slope of fallacy but a statement based on how members have reacted to said situations in the past.

-I wont go into your argument about rationality since that isnt what this topic is about.

May I ask what my original statement of please note we have a lovely section for discussing fascinating issues such as... and any further discussion w

Moving heated debates to avoid derailment is fairly standard here so feel free to report me if you feel that it must be changed.

I cleared above it wasnt a slippery slope argument but rather an observation based on how people react to heated debates on all boards but this one earlier. When you choose to keep discussing white privilege and whatnot I moved the thread to a place where it can be discussed freely.



You can discuss that if you wish.
However please avoid bringing up a heated topic such as privilege next time. I didnt move this discussion because I wanted to but because a member was concerned that everyone would focus on the heated topic and forget the original discussion that was so engaging for several members.


Farewell then I guess.
Good luck on your journey and as I said earlier you can keep discussing heated issues on this particular board if you feel all other discussions are too empty/meaningless.


I will rather wait until one of the people you reported my actions to reads this and decides what to do.
We cant however delete an account since that is alex's job and he has concerns about doing so (says it could cause issues with the websites database)...

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This only shows that you don't understand the topic of discussion.

The topic of discussion is whether a schizophrenic spectrum condition such as SPD (Schizotypal Disorder) is distinguishable from ASD.

I argued that "rationality" is one way to distinguish them. First from a wiki page source, then to a response to the links provided.

So, how does this "split the thread" when this is the whole point of the thread ? I know the answer already, and the answer is your made statements about something you know nothing about. I would bet you did not even read the cited links.

This action reflects poorly for this site. It shows that discussions here need to be "dumbed down" for moderators. That is why I say I am too intelligent to participate here, and why I will leave. I won't leave ungrateful though, or unhappy. It is just a realization.

Last edited by LoveNotHate on 22 Feb 2014, 7:31 am, edited 1 time in total.

Sorry but I was in a rush earlier.

As you can see on my now expanded reply you can discuss that at any board.

You cant however compare it to a heated topic since some members just cant handle discussions regarding said topics without losing their temper.

It appears this has been a misunderstanding so you can just repost your original post, sans privilege discussion, if you wish.

No. It is OK.

My desire it to leave. This site is great. I am not angry. I just want to leave without a false accusation against me. This seems to be rectified now.

Thanks.

Issue resolved; awaiting confirmation via PM in response to mine that LoveNotHate still wants her WP account closed.