Where the victim is at fault: Animal attacks

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05 Jun 2015, 9:37 am

I remember in Harry Potter where Harry treated a large bird-like creature respectfully and got to ride it which was cool, but then Draco Malfoy came in and started messing with it, acting very offensively to it, and of course it acted on its instincts and dealt him a blow.

Would it be pathological victim-blaming were I to say Draco Malfoy was asking for it?


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05 Jun 2015, 9:41 am

If somebody taunts a dog with a stick, that person deserves to be bitten by the dog.



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05 Jun 2015, 9:52 am

Here is a compilation of people who jumped over/broke into zoo enclosures against all safety regulations and were injured or killed. Absolutely their fault.

Warning. Just read the stories, don't watch the videos. They are scary and gory and horrible and can't be unseen (my mistake and I only watched one).
http://www.ranker.com/list/13-of-the-best-idiots-climbing-the-wall-at-the-zoo/danielle-dauenhauer?page=2

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Well, Jai Prakash Bezbaruah, a 50-year-old man who was on the last stop of his vacation with his wife and two children, must have really thought the zoo was out to protect the animals from being photographed at a bad angle (everybody knows the left side is a tiger’s “bad” side) because he snuck down to the inner enclosure of the Guwahati Zoo to snap some artsy photos when a female lion came over grabbed hold of his arm.

Several zookeepers had been trying to stop Bezbaruah from being as close as he was to the deadly animals, but before they could stop him or aid him in rescue, a male tiger appeared and aided the female in ripping the man’s left arm off.


The enclosures are there for a reason!! !! ! :skull:



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06 Jun 2015, 11:46 am

I’ve seen people on the Internet criticizing someone harshly for kicking a small dog that was biting his foot, trying to get rid of it, on the grounds that he wouldn’t have the balls to kick a pit bull.


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06 Jun 2015, 12:59 pm

In one case the victim's parent was at fault. A woman held her two year old up above the level of the protective barrier of a the African wild dog exhibit at the Pittsburgh Zoo so he could better see the dogs below and he fell in. The dogs, being wild dogs, ripped him apart.


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06 Jun 2015, 1:13 pm

beneficii wrote:
I remember in Harry Potter where Harry treated a large bird-like creature respectfully and got to ride it which was cool, but then Draco Malfoy came in and started messing with it, acting very offensively to it, and of course it acted on its instincts and dealt him a blow.

Would it be pathological victim-blaming were I to say Draco Malfoy was asking for it?

The creature might have thought it was under attack and in that case, it's self defense.



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06 Jun 2015, 4:52 pm

If a child pulls the cats tail and they scratch the kid, it's the kid's fault. It's called self defense on the animal's part. You use that as a lesson to your child about pulling their tails and how they need to be nice to the animal and not hurt them and that tail pulling hurts them. But you need to be careful with small children around animals because they don't know any better and if the dog bites the kid, the dog gets put to sleep which is so unfair. Most dogs will not bite when the kid is being rough with them but they can snap when they reach their breaking point.


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08 Jun 2015, 3:27 am

beneficii wrote:
I remember in Harry Potter where Harry treated a large bird-like creature respectfully and got to ride it which was cool, but then Draco Malfoy came in and started messing with it, acting very offensively to it, and of course it acted on its instincts and dealt him a blow.

Would it be pathological victim-blaming were I to say Draco Malfoy was asking for it?


Not at all. If somebody messes with somebody else and they get served for it, it's their own fault. -- Animals included.


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08 Jun 2015, 10:49 am

It depends on what precipitates that attack and the circumstances behind it, some animals act aggressively without being provoked at all and sometimes someone is responsible for that animal isn't doing their job.



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08 Jun 2015, 2:17 pm

beneficii wrote:
I remember in Harry Potter where Harry treated a large bird-like creature respectfully and got to ride it which was cool, but then Draco Malfoy came in and started messing with it, acting very offensively to it, and of course it acted on its instincts and dealt him a blow.

Would it be pathological victim-blaming were I to say Draco Malfoy was asking for it?

Not-at-all!! He was given very clear instruction, by Hagrid, regarding how one should approach / talk-to / treat Buckbeak----he thought he knew, BETTER (meaning, since he [Draco] thought Hagrid was an oaf, he assumed he [Hagrid] didn't know what he was talking-about). Draco, DEFINITELY, got what he deserved!!

If I was walking down the street, minding my own business, and some crazy dog jumped the fence, and took a chunk, out of my leg, and you said: "Why were you walking, down the street?"----THAT would be "victim blaming", IMO!!





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09 Jun 2015, 3:41 am

I wonder if it would be victim blaming if I was walking by my neighbor's house and their dog started barking at me behind the gate so I stick my fingers through them to try and pet it and instead it bites me and you say it's my fault for sticking my fingers through the fence at it?


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09 Jun 2015, 5:35 am

League_Girl wrote:
I wonder if it would be victim blaming if I was walking by my neighbor's house and their dog started barking at me behind the gate so I stick my fingers through them to try and pet it and instead it bites me and you say it's my fault for sticking my fingers through the fence at it?

No, it would NOT be "victim blaming", IMO, because the person who was on private property, doing something for which they did not have the owner's permission, got what they deserved. Yes, it WOULD be the fault of the person, who stuck their fingers through the fence.





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09 Jun 2015, 10:14 am

Campin_Cat wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I wonder if it would be victim blaming if I was walking by my neighbor's house and their dog started barking at me behind the gate so I stick my fingers through them to try and pet it and instead it bites me and you say it's my fault for sticking my fingers through the fence at it?

No, it would NOT be "victim blaming", IMO, because the person who was on private property, doing something for which they did not have the owner's permission, got what they deserved. Yes, it WOULD be the fault of the person, who stuck their fingers through the fence.


Is walking on the sidewalk private property? I thought it was public.


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09 Jun 2015, 12:09 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I wonder if it would be victim blaming if I was walking by my neighbor's house and their dog started barking at me behind the gate so I stick my fingers through them to try and pet it and instead it bites me and you say it's my fault for sticking my fingers through the fence at it?

No, it would NOT be "victim blaming", IMO, because the person who was on private property, doing something for which they did not have the owner's permission, got what they deserved. Yes, it WOULD be the fault of the person, who stuck their fingers through the fence.


Is walking on the sidewalk private property? I thought it was public.

It IS----but, I would assume you would have to walk TO the fence, from the sidewalk, thereby putting yourself on PRIVATE property. Regardless----even if the fence is right up against the sidewalk, and all you have to do is reach-out, to it----once you stick your fingers through the fence, you're on private property.

Your neighbor took the precaution, required of them, by putting the fence up, so the dog couldn't, freely, get to people passing on the sidewalk----you broke that barrier, by sticking your fingers through.





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10 Jun 2015, 9:51 pm

It's really not smart to try to pet a barking dog whom you do not know.