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23 Aug 2015, 12:33 pm

It has been observed, mathematics is the language of the universe. Do you think, one day, humans will only speak math, no longer having the need to speak in any other languages or will it just be in their lexicon of languages? Most people do not consider math to be a second language but it is! If you know math, you know two languages, even if you do not know another spoken one!



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23 Aug 2015, 4:13 pm

This reminds me of of the fictional book, "1984", wherein the totalitarian leaders thought they could control people better by eliminating word variety from the language. So, for example, words like "bad" were eliminated and replaced with "un-good".

They believed that by making the language more precise that there will be less individualism and more group-thinkers. They would likely support math as a primary language, because math's desire for precision would force people to think alike.

However, I am anti-math.

Succinctly, 1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples; only if humans agree on particular criteria for an apple and even then it's likely these 2 apples are quite different in that criteria. So you don't really have two of something, rather you have two different things.

See, math wants you to accept the lie of "group think" that you and another human should think alike.



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23 Aug 2015, 4:17 pm

It wouldn't be a matter of limiting, more one of it evolving into mathspeak over time out of practicality and necessity. It might require a leap into interstellar space first.



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23 Aug 2015, 4:31 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Do you think, one day, humans will only speak math, no longer having the need to speak in any other languages or will it just be in their lexicon of languages?

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23 Aug 2015, 5:19 pm

Humanaut wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Do you think, one day, humans will only speak math, no longer having the need to speak in any other languages or will it just be in their lexicon of languages?

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23 Aug 2015, 5:50 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Do you think, one day, humans will only speak math, no longer having the need to speak in any other languages or will it just be in their lexicon of languages?

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23 Aug 2015, 5:53 pm

adifferentname wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Do you think, one day, humans will only speak math, no longer having the need to speak in any other languages or will it just be in their lexicon of languages?

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23 Aug 2015, 7:16 pm

OK, so we're all officially nerds. :lol:



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23 Aug 2015, 9:36 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It has been observed, mathematics is the language of the universe. Do you think, one day, humans will only speak math, no longer having the need to speak in any other languages or will it just be in their lexicon of languages? Most people do not consider math to be a second language but it is! If you know math, you know two languages, even if you do not know another spoken one!


To what extent does one need to understand mathematics in order for it to be considered your second language? Elementary level? Tertiary? Why do so many mathematicians believe that certain equations are actually 'beautiful' (ex. Euler's identity)? Why, in so many shows and films, do they show mathematicians scribbling on glass? Don't they like white/blackboards? So many questions, so few answers.



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23 Aug 2015, 9:45 pm

Syntactically, it's closer to base ten than English is, hence some days I'm understood better when I use a lot of scientific Latin. While I've learned the groupthink habit of counting in base ten, I try to let it define merely the external parameters of my thoughts - sure, there are numbers for every tested capacity or output in a machine, what's important though are all the constituent transformations and mechanisms in between - officiated numbers remain a basic system of arbitration, dating to the invention of zero.


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23 Aug 2015, 10:00 pm

Math couldn't ever become are primary language, and certainly not our only language. It may be wonderful for showing the 'how,' and the mechanics/architecture/logic of things, but it doesn't do a decent job explaining the 'why' questions of life.


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23 Aug 2015, 10:16 pm

That's usually just a problem for those viewing mathematics as strictly numerical. In truth, spoken and written language is being trans-coded to hard math as we type; it happens all the time when I tell my cell phone to do something or when an article is indexed and/or queried for a word.

Just think about how many natural patterns you can relate this to...


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24 Aug 2015, 1:00 pm

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Math couldn't ever become are primary language, and certainly not our only language. It may be wonderful for showing the 'how,' and the mechanics/architecture/logic of things, but it doesn't do a decent job explaining the 'why' questions of life.



With math you do not need the 'why' questions in the first place. You put everything into mathematical terms and can do anything once you learn the universe's mathematical language.



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24 Aug 2015, 8:35 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
Math couldn't ever become are primary language, and certainly not our only language. It may be wonderful for showing the 'how,' and the mechanics/architecture/logic of things, but it doesn't do a decent job explaining the 'why' questions of life.



With math you do not need the 'why' questions in the first place. You put everything into mathematical terms and can do anything once you learn the universe's mathematical language.


The 'why' questions are the ones that most people are interested in though. They are the questions that give their lives meaning and purpose, without which we are no better off than animals.



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25 Aug 2015, 12:20 pm

Lintar wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It has been observed, mathematics is the language of the universe. Do you think, one day, humans will only speak math, no longer having the need to speak in any other languages or will it just be in their lexicon of languages? Most people do not consider math to be a second language but it is! If you know math, you know two languages, even if you do not know another spoken one!


To what extent does one need to understand mathematics in order for it to be considered your second language? Elementary level? Tertiary? Why do so many mathematicians believe that certain equations are actually 'beautiful' (ex. Euler's identity)? Why, in so many shows and films, do they show mathematicians scribbling on glass? Don't they like white/blackboards? So many questions, so few answers.


"Why do so many mathematicians believe that certain equations are actually 'beautiful' (ex. Euler's identity)?"

I'm sure many describe such equations as "beautiful" however the term I use for many such is "elegant." I and others call the solutions proving such equations "elegant" because of the unique, intelligent and innovative methods used. I learned this type of appreciation from my high school calculus instructor.



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25 Aug 2015, 1:02 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
This reminds me of of the fictional book, "1984", wherein the totalitarian leaders thought they could control people better by eliminating word variety from the language. So, for example, words like "bad" were eliminated and replaced with "un-good".


Because I'm a horrific nitpicker; "1984" is not a fictional book, it is a work of fiction.

OT: I wish I was much better at maths.


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