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20 Sep 2015, 4:08 pm

Why or why not?



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20 Sep 2015, 4:47 pm

Isn't that the lady who made a hash of running Hewlett-Packard? Sounds to be ideally qualified.....



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22 Sep 2015, 2:14 pm

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Isn't that the lady who made a hash of running Hewlett-Packard? Sounds to be ideally qualified.....


Given her acumen for destroying a once great company and being the very worst leader it ever had, I say give her a shot, at least you'll know what to expect. :roll:



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22 Sep 2015, 2:32 pm

Although this country needs a female president, neither Hillary Clinton nor Carly Fiorina will get the job done.

Hillary Clinton is way too arrogant for her own good and Fiorina will screw up the country in the same manner the second President Bush did.


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22 Sep 2015, 8:27 pm

Not only has Fiorina a terrible record as a business leader, laying off thousands of workers to save Hewlett-Packard, only to drive the company into the ground despite this, and claiming she could run a whole company on her own computer (as it that were enough), she is one of those people who labor under the absurd notion that a country operates the same as a business. Well, it doesn't. I can just imagine her cutting the government workforce to the bare bones - and encouraging business leaders to do the same in private companies - as well as cutting the social safety net, all for the good of America. :x


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22 Sep 2015, 9:39 pm

she'll make as good of president as she was as CEO of HP



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23 Sep 2015, 12:48 am

Well, when she got paid millions of dollars to stop running HP into the ground, there was dancing in the aisles between cubicles at HP.

When she took over, their motto and their slogan for PR was "Invent".

One of her first edicts was that people should stop inventing. That they should, wherever possible, figure out if they can just re-brand something made by some anonymous chinese company.

To say that she was hated as CEO of HP is putting it lightly. She was loathed.



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23 Sep 2015, 1:22 am

The more the Left screeches their hatred of her, the better her credibility in my eyes.

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Then, not longer after Fiorina left, the bet started paying off. Part of the initial rise in HP’s stock price was probably relief that the contentious Fiorina era was over. And much of the company’s stock market success during the next five years can be attributed to Mark Hurd, the relentless cost-cutter who took over as CEO about a month after Fiorina left. But Hurd was for the most part executing the strategy that Fiorina had laid out. Her plan to make HP a credible competitor for IBM worked far better than the strategies of McNealy and Dell and enabled HP to modestly outpace IBM as well. Fairly assigning credit between Fiorina and Hurd here is impossible, but it seems clear that (a) Fiorina didn’t leave behind a basket case of a company and (b) the Fiorina-Hurd era was -- again, by the metric of total shareholder return -- a relative success.


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... -one-chart


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23 Sep 2015, 5:10 am

luan78zao wrote:
The more the Left screeches their hatred of her, the better her credibility in my eyes.

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Then, not longer after Fiorina left, the bet started paying off. Part of the initial rise in HP’s stock price was probably relief that the contentious Fiorina era was over. And much of the company’s stock market success during the next five years can be attributed to Mark Hurd, the relentless cost-cutter who took over as CEO about a month after Fiorina left. But Hurd was for the most part executing the strategy that Fiorina had laid out. Her plan to make HP a credible competitor for IBM worked far better than the strategies of McNealy and Dell and enabled HP to modestly outpace IBM as well. Fairly assigning credit between Fiorina and Hurd here is impossible, but it seems clear that (a) Fiorina didn’t leave behind a basket case of a company and (b) the Fiorina-Hurd era was -- again, by the metric of total shareholder return -- a relative success.


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... -one-chart


You'll disregard her total incompetence as a CEO just because of your contempt for the left? You do know she ruined the lives of thousands of loyal workers when she drove HP into the ground, don't you?


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23 Sep 2015, 7:06 am

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You do know she ruined the lives of thousands of loyal workers when she drove HP into the ground, don't you?


As the article points out, the facts do not support the claim that she "drove HP into the ground." It was in fact her policies which eventually led to the company's recovery.

I wouldn't call myself a Fiorina supporter at this point, but I know a blatant smear campaign when I see one.

Do you think that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes true?


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23 Sep 2015, 7:21 am

we don't even have to look at her record, she's an idiot full time

a close disciple of John McCain, hyper-neocon

she is nor qualified not is she trustworthy enough for elected office



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23 Sep 2015, 10:32 am

She's the new establishment backup to Bush because he is falling in the polls and Fiorina is not an insider so they are tapping into that anger now in another attempt to try and topple Trump, also she is female so they can call anything said about her sexist.



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23 Sep 2015, 11:04 am

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She's the new establishment backup to Bush because he is falling in the polls and Fiorina is not an insider so they are tapping into that anger now in another attempt to try and topple Trump, also she is female so they can call anything said about her sexist.

Not unlikely, but it doesn't seem to work.

The voters probably think her bizarre obsession with Barbara Boxer's hairstyle makes her unfit to run for office.



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23 Sep 2015, 3:19 pm

luan78zao wrote:
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You do know she ruined the lives of thousands of loyal workers when she drove HP into the ground, don't you?


As the article points out, the facts do not support the claim that she "drove HP into the ground." It was in fact her policies which eventually led to the company's recovery.

I wouldn't call myself a Fiorina supporter at this point, but I know a blatant smear campaign when I see one.

Do you think that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes true?


Regardless, she had ruined the lives of thousands of her loyal workers she had left jobless. That's more than enough reason to leave her in the dust as far as the Presidency is concerned.


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23 Sep 2015, 5:49 pm

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Regardless, she had ruined the lives of thousands of her loyal workers she had left jobless.


Contrary to popular opinion, a CEO is not hired by employees in order to pay them money whether they earn it or not. She is hired by stockholders in order to make money for stockholders.

How exactly did those employees manifest their "loyalty"? By wearing company t-shirts? Apparently it wasn't by actually being productive – since the company made more money without them.

A company may, for sentimental reasons, choose to keep on the founder's ineffective grandson, or a beloved elderly employee who can no longer do much. (I've seen both.) But a company which continues to employ "thousands" of such charity cases, at a loss, will soon find itself out of business. Then everybody's on the street. How is that better?


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23 Sep 2015, 7:18 pm

luan78zao wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Regardless, she had ruined the lives of thousands of her loyal workers she had left jobless.


Contrary to popular opinion, a CEO is not hired by employees in order to pay them money whether they earn it or not. She is hired by stockholders in order to make money for stockholders.

How exactly did those employees manifest their "loyalty"? By wearing company t-shirts? Apparently it wasn't by actually being productive – since the company made more money without them.

A company may, for sentimental reasons, choose to keep on the founder's ineffective grandson, or a beloved elderly employee who can no longer do much. (I've seen both.) But a company which continues to employ "thousands" of such charity cases, at a loss, will soon find itself out of business. Then everybody's on the street. How is that better?

Which is why with automation coming (Robots replacing workers and software replacing administrators and even possibly CEO.) our economical system is completely done for. With very few peoples still working, not many would have enough money to buy the companies products. The ultimate logical conclusion of a economy in which workers are considered a "spending".