Not All Jews are White

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I've decided to make a thread for the sake of comparing customs and lifestyles of Caucasian Ashkenazi Jews with those of Sephardi and POC Jews.

You know the word Caucasian doesn't actually mean white, right?

Semites/Arab are mostly Caucasian.

Even quite dark people from Central Asia, even India have quite a lot of causasian in their ancestry.

Ethiopian Jews clearly aren't white. However they are not the lost Dan tribe, but then again the lost tribe theory has no evidence and the genetics runs counter to that hypothesis.

My first thought to this topic was Donald Sterling's racist comments that "black Jews are treated like dogs in Israel".

I understand that there is a group of Jews from Zimbabwe who are getting short shrift from the Chief Rabbinate in Israel, and yet these people claim Jewish descent and have a distinct gene marker most frequently found amongst the Cohenim.

The word Caucasian is derived from the region where the Caucusus Mountains are located, which used to be called Persia. It's about as Middle Eastern as it gets.

Race has very little to do with skin coloration. Facial structures have much more bearing on a person's race.

What about the Felashin(hamitic Jews) of Ethiopia? Or better yet, the Lemba people of Zimbabwe who are solidly black, bantu-speakers who practice the Jewish faith...

What are you talking about?

What are POC Jews?

The original Hebrews of ancient Judea of Biblical times were of the same stock as modern Arabs, and the modern Oriental Jews in Arab countries, and would have been classed as "Caucasian". And the modern Sephardic Jews (essentially Balkan Jews of Spanish Jewish ancestry) are also "Caucasian", if not also "White".

It seems that sometimes Ashkenazi Jews will claim to be white, and sometimes non-white, depending on what suits them at any particular moment.

I think I'll agree with this woman: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenaz ... z-article/

Jews - whether Ashkenazi or otherwise - are not white. Period.

Boy have you gotten THAT backwards!

Its gentiles who flip-flop on what color to paint Jews (Ashkenazi or otherwise) to suit the needs of those gentiles.

Hitler declared them to be non White to justify exterminating them. Farrakhan defines Jews as White so Jews can be a target of his reverse racist ideology against Whites.

I'll let this footage do the talking:

Huh? Why not? Ashkenazis look white to me.

there were two adopted Chinese girls who went to my (reform) synagogue. they were young so I'm not sure how they self define now that they are older. from the outside they seemed to live a normal lifestyle and the kids as well as adults did not treat them any differently...
there was also an adopted heretically Irish boy at my synagogue, I knew him well and he was old enough to decide to consider himself religiously Jewish, although he did struggle a lot with identity and was quite a trouble maker. he's in jail now.

any thoughts on adopted non-heretically Jewish people?

But the OP is right there are Jews who cannot be classed as "White" like Sammy Davis Jr. ( a convert).

whats to think about?

Jews are both a religion and an ethnic group. So they tend to have a common ancestry. But there is no reason that folks of Gentile extraction cant convert (like Sammy Davis Jr.), or cant be adopted and cant grow up to join Judaism as a religion.

And even religions that are "just religions", and not considered ethnic groups are linked to ethnicity ( Catholicism is linked Polish identity, and to Irish identity, and Protestantism is still a part of the core of American culture).

Also, Sephardic Jews are not from the Middle East. Native Palestinian Jews are called Sabras. Sephardic Jews are those who fled western Europe (Spain, Portugal, and southern France bordering Spain) during the Inquistion, and found safe haven among their Muslim cousins in North Africa.

Boy are you spouting knee-jerk PC nonsense.

1. It might make sense to accuse gentiles of flip-flopping on questions of identity if gentiles were a self-defined and cohesive group in any meaningful sense, but they're not - they are merely people defined by Jews as "not us". So if a Black man like Farrakhan does actually disagree (which is debatable) with a White man like Hitler on whether or not Jews are White, it is ridiculous to paint that as "gentiles flip-flopping to suit their needs".

2. Even if gentiles were a self-defined, cohesive group that flip-flopped on this question it wouldn't contradict what I was saying anyway.

3. I wouldn't really expect someone who uses the term "reverse racism" unironically to have much worthwhile to say about race.