Turkey downs Russian jet over syria....

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a russian jet in syria was shot down by turkish military, who claim they violated their airspace and ignored warnings...cnn confirmed they gave warnings...Could this mesn an end to cooperation between russia and turkey in the oil pipeline, putin arming the kurds? What else it could it mean?

I think it means all those things.

Russia won't stop with oil trade, I think they will retaliate militarily and with the U.S. planes flying around in the same area it's only a matter of time before WW3.

Russia wants and needs to export, so it need countries to export with. It doesn't want to have compete. So there is a two way clash there countries like Turkey and Hungry are pulled in two directions.

I don't think it would be wise for Russia to attack Turkey militarily. For one that means automatic NATO involvement.

Yeah, but Putin is pissed off:

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Perhaps Putin’s goal is to divide NATO, which was created for mutual defensive against the Soviet Union. That threat no longer exists. The ISIS threat however is real and Turkey is on the other side. Do you think Obama would come to the defense of Turkey if Russia retaliated? Do you think the French would?

It is a pretty high risk strategy, I doubt it.

I think Russian pilots are simply caviler, they like to sail close to the wind as other incidents testify. They thought they would call Turkey's bluff and paid with their lives.

Turkey has no business in NATO, NATO serves no purpose in the 21st century as a Cold War relic other than as a tool of American hegemony and dominance over Europe. No country has directly cooperated with ISIS besides Turkey, they buy their illegal oil, they bomb the Kurds. The Turkish state is no more what Ataturk envisioned, it is a backsliding Islamofascist "democracy"(and I use this unironically since fascism and Islamism have both been long present in Turkey and now Erdogan and the AKP are merging them) They are not allies of the United States, they support international terrorism, so does Saudi Arabia and the other Arab Gulf states yet we're obligated to defend these people? They're real enemies not Russia or Iran.

Would you die to protect Turkey's Islamist-fascist government? I wouldn't.

I think the PKK and other Kurd groups could use some nice fancy new equipment, they should declare a state covering all of what is considered Kurdistan. They are a de facto state in Iraq and Syria, their brothers in Turkey and Iran should join them. Turkey would rather kill the Kurds than ISIS, they use ISIS for their own means. What Turkey did to Russia was unacceptable, the Russian "incursion" lasted 17 seconds and the Turkish F16 shot down the Russian bomber in Syrian territory. Not only that but the pilots were ruthlessly murdered by terrorist "rebels". Russia will now be escorting all of its bombers with fighter jets, lets see Turkey try the same stunt. Russia has really irked Erdogan since they have been bombing ISIS-Turkish oil convoys which are making some people in Turkey very very rich and bankrolls a terrorist state.

This was 100% deliberate by the way, Turkey did not like the idea of the west reproaching with Russia to take out ISIS because that makes their strategic importance much less so this attack was to try to make the coalition impossible. FWIW, I wouldn't put it past the US government to have given this the okay as it is hard to imagine any NATO member acting independently without the US and they are a bunch of freaks in our government that beat off to Red Dawn every night. This is to prevent a united front against ISIS.

I agree. The government of Turkey (my parents' country) is run by a bunch of nepotistic crooks and thugs and they need to be outvoted or ousted by a military coup PRONTO

"It is routine for jet fighters to sometimes fly in and out over [national] borders... when you consider their speed ....These are not ill-intentioned things but happen beyond control due to the jets' speed." --so said Turkish President Abdullah Gul after a Turkish RF-4E Phantom II reconnaissance jet was shot down near Latakia, Syria, in June, 2012. Both that jet and the Russian SU-24 crossed disputed borders of Hatay Province, land France ceded from Syria to Turkey in 1939.

See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2012_interception_of_Turkish_aircraft
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatay_Province

Assuming reports are accurate, the Russian planes had no hostile intent against Turkey, the Russian violation of Turkish airspace, if it occurred at all, was incidental and momentary, CLEARLY no internationally understood intercept occurred, and the Russian plane was shot down without justification.
The Turks keep stating that "warnings" were issued. But the "warnings" were issued on international channels, which the Russian aircrew, in an attack situation, may not have been monitoring, and in English, none of which justifies a downing of a non-hostile aircraft.

They were in Turkish airspace for exactly 17 seconds, you can't scramble F16s that fast and they followed the Russian bombers back into Syria,this was a preplanned provocation and an act of war. Erdogan said himself 3 years ago to his parliament that "a brief border violation is not a pretext for an attack" but 17 seconds returning on a mission bombing terrorists, Turkey's true colors have been shown. Russia should have no mercy in their response, I would never defend the country of Turkey, I would sooner see Russia invade and occupy it before considering them an ally. Turkey should get out of NATO and any inclination of them being invited into the EU should be permanently extinguished. Turkey violated Greek airspace 2244 times in 2014, they occupy half the island of Cyprus, these people are the worst kind of scoundrels.

It's kind of funny seeing Putin and Erdogan go at it. The two leaders are similar in a lot of ways. They're both democratically elected wannabe dictators. Putin has delusions of bringing back the Soviet Union while Erdogan has delusions of bringing back the Ottoman empire. They both have a pretty big segment of their own population that despise them.

Putin's approval rating in Russia is 90% right now

Turkey claims that there have been several incursions into their airspace over the last several weeks.

Blowing someone out of the sky for flagrantly violating airspace is justifiable.

Shooting at the crew after they eject, that's against protocol.

Turkey hasn't been making good decisions in the region for a long time now. Mostly because they get off too much on putting down their ethnic minorities.

Dumb nationalistic fervor. Whatever. GW's rating was also damn high at one point, until he got bogged down in Iraq.

I don't see how you can support one over the other. They are both bad guys.

Turkey regularly violates the airspace of its neighbors, they do it almost daily to Greece and the bomber was shot down over Syria. It was not a justifiable response in any way, Turkey deliberately planned to attack Russian bombers. Those "Turkmen rebels" are allied with al-Nusra shouldn't be differentiated from ISIS, the leader of those "Turkmen rebels" is actually a Turkish citizen and member of massive Turkish neo-Nazi organization Grey Wolves. These people are not our allies, they do not share our values, they support our enemies, and then run and hide behind us after they foolishly go poke the bear. Turkey should be removed from NATO immediately, who here would be willing to fight to protect such a country? Russia should arm the Kurds and start bringing the Armenian genocide back to forefront of discussion, the entire Turkish state was built on genocide.