For those of you against BLM

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Maybe you will be willing to listen to the words of these women and be moved by them instead of being dismissive of them as "delusional" for thinking that police violence against black people needs to stop and becoming a part of BLM.

Watch the Mothers of the Movement's Powerful DNC message

And here's a youtube video of the same, for those who are averse to Jezebel and their sub-blogs like The Slot:

For some reason I can't get the youtube link to work. This site and all its bugs really gets on my nerves sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VspEgZAKvgY

there's the address for it anyway.

Nah I'm ok thanks.

I'm for rights for black people. I don't think BLM cares about their rights or safety, though. They don't even care about the people who support them, or black people who don't fit their narrative. It doesn't address crime in the towns they live in and instead focuses more on the police shootings of (mostly) felons.

I don't know how anyone can be against anyone's lives... unless, of course, they're trying to build a society based on mercilessness, like in Hobbes' Leviathan, where everyone is at war with each other.

You don't have to support BLM to support black lives. People were doing it well before BLM and with much more integrity and love.

Don't bother contributing to my thread if you're not going to even view the content in the OP--that is what the discussion is meant to be about. I'm not interested in having a discussion with you if you can't even view the subject of the thread. You are just attempting to derail.

I watched the videos. I've been watching most of the RNC and DNC.
I feel sorry for the mothers who have lost their kids to the street or the law. But I don't support BLM.

You definitely have the best of intentions and want a better USA for African Americans and I respect that much about your plea to others. I have different views on how that's possible and different views on what that means, and while I won't apologise for thinking the way I do I will say sorry for what looked like a derailing post.

So what do you think BLM cares about?

Is this a viewpoint that has been expressed on this board?

The words of those women in no way alters my perception of BLM.

I believe BLM wants to stop wanton police violence in general.

I don't care for some of their methods, though, or the stridency of some in that organization.

If somebody from BLM says "black people cannot be racist," then I wouldn't agree.

But if that same person said "we have to put a stop to wanton police violence," then I would agree.

I strongly believe that police violence against black people needs to stop... Yet I am not part of BLM... nor do I want to be part of it...

Similarly, I strongly believe in gender equality... Yet I'm not a feminist... nor do I want to be one...

... I think it's arrogant and presumptuous for a movement/organization to assume that it has a monopoly on certain policy positions...

Yes, by L_Holmes. He said being afraid of police violence and advocating to do something about that if you are black is "delusional" and that there is no clear evidence that the police are any more of a threat to black people than they are to white people. He said it is much more reasonable for black people to be afraid of each other because of black on black crime, and for BLM to advocate for anything other than an end to black on black crime (because that is the only thing to be reasonably afraid of if you are black) is wrong. This is one of the arguments (of course, coming from a white person who refuses to listen to the experiences of black people) I was thinking of when I made this thread.

I think we as white people who don't understand what it is like to be black (just as neurotypicals don't really know what it's like to be autistic and should listen to us when they want to understand neurodiversity and the neurodiverse life experience) should be willing to listen to black people talk about their experiences and be open to the idea that they might be different from our own, that they might have a different perspective on racism and the police than we do. This is what I am trying to get going with this thread.

Racism exists for he same reason ableism exists--because people in the dominant group don't listen to those who are different, they would rather judge them from a place of ignorance instead of saying "hey, this person might have a different perspective on this issue because of their different experiences from me, and this person's perspective might even give them more insight into this issue than mine does as a member of the dominant majority."

The whole point of Black Lives Matter is, no one should have to be afraid of the police who are supposed to protect you. That, and the police shouldn't view every black person as a potential criminal.

That sounds like something you should be raising with L_Holmes directly via PM. Without a direct quote, I'm disinclined to comment.



I'm reasonably certain that you cannot represent L_Holmes arguments as accurately as L_Holmes.



I think you're way off the reservation there. Black is not a universal experience, neither is white. You don't understand what it is like to be me, you do not speak for me and you have literally no knowledge of my understanding regarding the lives or experiences of anyone else.

My experiences as someone born with a neurological disorder do not give me special impenetrable insight that is unavailable to the neurologically typical. Should I discuss the topic of neurodiversity with a neurotypical person, you may be 100% certain that I will give their experiences and insights as much weight as I would an autistic person, agree or disagree based on the strength of their arguments without any consideration for their neurological condition.



Racism exists due to a wide range of factors, none of which you've covered here. Racism often presents in the form of well-meaning people trying to place an entire demographic into a single box and marking said box "different".

Consider this: Were I to tell you that my experiences of living in a predominately white society as a white person gives me greater insight into what it is to live in a white society than a black person has, you'd consider that racist, no?

From my perspective, you're arguing for arbitrary discrimination.

http://www.jaystalien.com/index.php/2016/07/19/10/