Why don't we acknowledge the First Thanksgiving in Virginia?

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24 Nov 2016, 11:45 am

The first official Thanksgiving was in Virginia in December, 1619 between the European settlers and the natives peoples. Yet we always say it was in Plymouth, Mass two years later. Is this some sort of political rhetoric? Maybe its because people don't like the idea of a Southern Thanksgiving? I don't get it.

Also Jeff Davis , President of the Confederate States of America, proclaimed a national day of prayer and thanksgiving in 1861, two years before Abe Lincoln did. Yet no one discusses that either.

History books are full of half truths.



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25 Nov 2016, 6:14 pm

Because we also don't acknowlege the first thanksgiving that went wrong circa 1000AD, when the Viking settlers at L'anse aux meadow allegedly turned the Skraelingar against them when they served milk products at a feast. --The natives were lactose intolerant, and thought they had been intentionally poisoned.

FWIW, History books are written by Victors. When anybody tries to tell the other side of the story, it is generally condemned as "Historical Revisionism".


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25 Nov 2016, 6:37 pm

Mom grew up in Colorado (the West) where the schools teach you that "the oldest city in what is now the United States is Santa Fe New Mexico". I grew up on the eastern seaboard where the schools teach you that "the oldest city in what is now the United States is St. Augustine Florida". Both were founded by the Spanish Conquistadors before the English settled in either Cape Cod, or in Jamestown Virginia.

Who knows? The Spanish settlers of both St. Augustine, and of Santa Fe, probably had feasts of thanksgiving with the local Indians as well prior to the banguets in either Jamestown,or Plymouth. But we don't celebrate those either.



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25 Nov 2016, 6:37 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
The first official Thanksgiving was in Virginia in December, 1619 between the European settlers and the natives peoples. Yet we always say it was in Plymouth, Mass two years later. Is this some sort of political rhetoric? Maybe its because people don't like the idea of a Southern Thanksgiving? I don't get it.

Also Jeff Davis , President of the Confederate States of America, proclaimed a national day of prayer and thanksgiving in 1861, two years before Abe Lincoln did. Yet no one discusses that either.

History books are full of half truths.

I've known it for a long time and have always associated Thanksgiving with colonial Virginia.
The narrative says that it was Massachusetts and to go against the holy narrative might precipitate charges of trolling, bullying, and dare I say hate.
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25 Nov 2016, 7:11 pm

What did I tell ya?:



From Wiki

Other claims include an earlier religious service by Spanish explorers in Texas at San Elizario in 1598.[19] Robyn Gioia and Michael Gannon of the University of Florida argue that the earliest Thanksgiving service in what is now the United States was celebrated by the Spanish on September 8, 1565, in what is now Saint Augustine, Florida.[20][21]



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25 Nov 2016, 7:34 pm

That settlement wasn't exactly a success.

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During the Indian Massacre of 1622, nine of the settlers at Berkeley Hundred were killed, as well as about a third of the entire population of the Virginia Colony. The Berkeley Hundred site and other outlying locations were abandoned as the colonists withdrew to Jamestown and other more secure points.

Why don't we like to acknowledge failures?



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13 Nov 2018, 3:59 pm

We now have a President who doesn't like to acknowledge the sacrifices made in military service. He only celebrates "winners."



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13 Nov 2018, 4:57 pm

Interesting ..

However , the THANKSGIVING .. is the fact that the ship arrived. Nothing to do with food or Indians.

"Shrine of the first U.S. Thanksgiving in 1619 at Berkeley Hundred in Charles City County, Virginia
In 1619, the ship Margaret of Bristol, England sailed for Virginia under Captain John Woodliffe and brought thirty-eight settlers to the new Town and Hundred of Berkeley. The London Company proprietors instructed the settlers that "the day of our ships arrival . . . shall be yearly and perpetually kept as a day of Thanksgiving."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Hundred

Whereas, the Plymouth THANKSGIVING is about a shared meal ...

"U.S. tradition compares the holiday with a meal held in 1621 by the Wampanoag and the Pilgrims who settled at Plymouth Plantation".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(United_States)


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13 Nov 2018, 10:38 pm

I don't acknowledge it because I'm Canadian. We had our Thanksgiving in October.



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13 Nov 2018, 10:40 pm

i only clebrate givesthanking


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