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30 Mar 2012, 8:36 pm

It would take me a while to define Fascism in my own words so this articale explains it for you in a very simple way.

•Absolute power of the State: The Fascist state is a glorious, living entity that is more important than any individual. All individuals are part of the State, but the State is greater than the sum of its parts. All individuals must set aside their own needs and supplicate themselves to the needs of the State. There is no law or other power that can limit the authority of the State.

•Survival of the fittest: A Fascist state is only as glorious and powerful as its ability to wage wars and win them. Peace is viewed as weakness, aggression as strength. Strength is the ultimate good and ensures the survival of the State.

•Strict social order: Social classes are strictly maintained in order to avoid "mob rule" or any hint of chaos. Chaos is a threat to the State. The State's absolute power and greatness depends on the maintenance of a class system in which every individual has a specific place, and that place cannot be altered.

•Authoritarian leadership: To maintain the power and greatness of the State requires a single, charismatic leader with absolute authority. This all-powerful, heroic leader maintains the unity and unquestioning submission required by the Fascist state. The authoritarian leader is often viewed as a symbol of the State.

Some people use "fascist" to describe any authoritarian person or government. But as you can see, authoritarianism is only part of the philosophy. Communism under Stalin was an authoritarian political philosophy, too; but Fascism is directly opposed to Communism (along with democracy, liberalism, humanism and rationalism). Aside from the above principles, a Fascist state also typically promotes a private economy that submits to government regulation; immediate (and often violent) submission of any opposing views; the ethnic dominance of its own people and the lower status of outsiders.

While politicians and Conservative pundits seem more than willing to make a connection between a socio-political philosophy like fascism and a religion-based philosophy like Islamic fundamentalism, scholars are much less quick to cross that bridge. "Religious fascism," sometimes called "clerical fascism," has been a subject of debate since the latter term was coined to describe what some viewed as the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Mussolini regime. Some people saw the Church as a supporter of Fascism in Italy. Since religion can be so closely tied to ethnicity, many scholars have found philosophical similarities between political fascism and religious fundamentalism. On the other hand, the word is not exactly morally neutral in its contemporary usage. "Fascist" has become a common slur -- a blanket term used to mean "really bad guy." Making a connection between a particular religion and fascism can be a dangerous undertaking considering fascism's current connotation and the inherent difficulty in defining any singular fascist philosophy.



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30 Mar 2012, 8:38 pm

Joker wrote:
It would take me a while to define Fascism in my own words so this articale explains it for you in a very simple way.

•Absolute power of the State: The Fascist state is a glorious, living entity that is more important than any individual. All individuals are part of the State, but the State is greater than the sum of its parts. All individuals must set aside their own needs and supplicate themselves to the needs of the State. There is no law or other power that can limit the authority of the State.

•Survival of the fittest: A Fascist state is only as glorious and powerful as its ability to wage wars and win them. Peace is viewed as weakness, aggression as strength. Strength is the ultimate good and ensures the survival of the State.

•Strict social order: Social classes are strictly maintained in order to avoid "mob rule" or any hint of chaos. Chaos is a threat to the State. The State's absolute power and greatness depends on the maintenance of a class system in which every individual has a specific place, and that place cannot be altered.

•Authoritarian leadership: To maintain the power and greatness of the State requires a single, charismatic leader with absolute authority. This all-powerful, heroic leader maintains the unity and unquestioning submission required by the Fascist state. The authoritarian leader is often viewed as a symbol of the State.

Some people use "fascist" to describe any authoritarian person or government. But as you can see, authoritarianism is only part of the philosophy. Communism under Stalin was an authoritarian political philosophy, too; but Fascism is directly opposed to Communism (along with democracy, liberalism, humanism and rationalism). Aside from the above principles, a Fascist state also typically promotes a private economy that submits to government regulation; immediate (and often violent) submission of any opposing views; the ethnic dominance of its own people and the lower status of outsiders.

While politicians and Conservative pundits seem more than willing to make a connection between a socio-political philosophy like fascism and a religion-based philosophy like Islamic fundamentalism, scholars are much less quick to cross that bridge. "Religious fascism," sometimes called "clerical fascism," has been a subject of debate since the latter term was coined to describe what some viewed as the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Mussolini regime. Some people saw the Church as a supporter of Fascism in Italy. Since religion can be so closely tied to ethnicity, many scholars have found philosophical similarities between political fascism and religious fundamentalism. On the other hand, the word is not exactly morally neutral in its contemporary usage. "Fascist" has become a common slur -- a blanket term used to mean "really bad guy." Making a connection between a particular religion and fascism can be a dangerous undertaking considering fascism's current connotation and the inherent difficulty in defining any singular fascist philosophy.


What is the source of this article? Because that last paragraph intrigues me.



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30 Mar 2012, 8:41 pm

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Joker wrote:
It would take me a while to define Fascism in my own words so this articale explains it for you in a very simple way.

•Absolute power of the State: The Fascist state is a glorious, living entity that is more important than any individual. All individuals are part of the State, but the State is greater than the sum of its parts. All individuals must set aside their own needs and supplicate themselves to the needs of the State. There is no law or other power that can limit the authority of the State.

•Survival of the fittest: A Fascist state is only as glorious and powerful as its ability to wage wars and win them. Peace is viewed as weakness, aggression as strength. Strength is the ultimate good and ensures the survival of the State.

•Strict social order: Social classes are strictly maintained in order to avoid "mob rule" or any hint of chaos. Chaos is a threat to the State. The State's absolute power and greatness depends on the maintenance of a class system in which every individual has a specific place, and that place cannot be altered.

•Authoritarian leadership: To maintain the power and greatness of the State requires a single, charismatic leader with absolute authority. This all-powerful, heroic leader maintains the unity and unquestioning submission required by the Fascist state. The authoritarian leader is often viewed as a symbol of the State.

Some people use "fascist" to describe any authoritarian person or government. But as you can see, authoritarianism is only part of the philosophy. Communism under Stalin was an authoritarian political philosophy, too; but Fascism is directly opposed to Communism (along with democracy, liberalism, humanism and rationalism). Aside from the above principles, a Fascist state also typically promotes a private economy that submits to government regulation; immediate (and often violent) submission of any opposing views; the ethnic dominance of its own people and the lower status of outsiders.

While politicians and Conservative pundits seem more than willing to make a connection between a socio-political philosophy like fascism and a religion-based philosophy like Islamic fundamentalism, scholars are much less quick to cross that bridge. "Religious fascism," sometimes called "clerical fascism," has been a subject of debate since the latter term was coined to describe what some viewed as the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Mussolini regime. Some people saw the Church as a supporter of Fascism in Italy. Since religion can be so closely tied to ethnicity, many scholars have found philosophical similarities between political fascism and religious fundamentalism. On the other hand, the word is not exactly morally neutral in its contemporary usage. "Fascist" has become a common slur -- a blanket term used to mean "really bad guy." Making a connection between a particular religion and fascism can be a dangerous undertaking considering fascism's current connotation and the inherent difficulty in defining any singular fascist philosophy.


What is the source of this article?


Here is the link Herrgrimm Im sure you will find it to be worth reading http://people.howstuffworks.com/fascism.htm In my opinon Fasism will be the future Democracy is failing.



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31 Mar 2012, 12:11 am

i hope i never live to see such happen here. what we have is already bad enough.



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31 Mar 2012, 12:17 am

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i hope i never live to see such happen here. what we have is already bad enough.


It will happen if thing's don't change society will be looking for something diffrent Fascism will be their answer most people make better followers then leaders.



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31 Mar 2012, 3:00 am

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auntblabby wrote:
i hope i never live to see such happen here. what we have is already bad enough.


It will happen if thing's don't change society will be looking for something diffrent Fascism will be their answer most people make better followers then leaders.


As long as conservatives keeping bleating crap like freedom is in opposition to a social safety net, and that risk comes with freedom, less and less people will want that definition of freedom. It's the heartless right, with all their social Darwinism, that very well may push the American people to communism or fascism.

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31 Mar 2012, 3:07 am

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auntblabby wrote:
i hope i never live to see such happen here. what we have is already bad enough.


It will happen if thing's don't change society will be looking for something diffrent Fascism will be their answer most people make better followers then leaders.


As long as conservatives keeping bleating crap like freedom is in opposition to a social safety net, and that risk comes with freedom, less and less people will want that definition of freedom. It's the heartless right, with all their social Darwinism, that very well may push the American people to communism or fascism.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The right would push more for Fascism then Communism Communism is a utopia idea that all men are equal when Fascism get's rid of the weak and only the strong are to serve their is no room for the weak in the state when it comes to Fascism. I have been a strong supporter for the idea and see the potenital it could have as a third party in america I think the GOP would be behind most seeing how radical they are getting.



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31 Mar 2012, 4:24 am

"drifting into madness"



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31 Mar 2012, 7:11 am

It really bothers me that the US fits into the first three criteria, especially when compared with the rest of the modern world.



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31 Mar 2012, 1:24 pm

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It really bothers me that the US fits into the first three criteria, especially when compared with the rest of the modern world.


Yes in fact we do fit into the criteria as a Fascist I wouldn't mind living under a fascist country.



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31 Mar 2012, 2:01 pm

To hear neo-conservatives describe it,
those are the founding principles of the United States.


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31 Mar 2012, 2:11 pm

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To hear neo-conservatives describe it,
those are the founding principles of the United States.


In a way your right but neo-conservaties or just conservatives in general would hate the Fascist views on issues like economics and foreign policy.

I am left wing on how the country is to be ran but right wing on foreign policy and some other key issues I think I am the only Fascist on WP hmm a little fish in a big Liberal and Conservative pond.



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31 Mar 2012, 2:18 pm

How can you be a fascist, Joker? In such a society you would be disenfranchised or worse


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31 Mar 2012, 2:30 pm

I am radical in my views of politicis Fascism is my political views but trust me when I say this I am not the only one that is a Fascist living in America.



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31 Mar 2012, 2:38 pm

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While politicians and Conservative pundits seem more than willing to make a connection between a socio-political philosophy like fascism and a religion-based philosophy like Islamic fundamentalism, scholars are much less quick to cross that bridge. "Religious fascism," sometimes called "clerical fascism," has been a subject of debate since the latter term was coined to describe what some viewed as the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Mussolini regime. Some people saw the Church as a supporter of Fascism in Italy. Since religion can be so closely tied to ethnicity, many scholars have found philosophical similarities between political fascism and religious fundamentalism. On the other hand, the word is not exactly morally neutral in its contemporary usage. "Fascist" has become a common slur -- a blanket term used to mean "really bad guy." Making a connection between a particular religion and fascism can be a dangerous undertaking considering fascism's current connotation and the inherent difficulty in defining any singular fascist philosophy.


I am just looking at the "dangerous undertaking" part. I have poor comprehension sometimes, but it sounds like there is something that has to stop and make me think about Fascism being connected to religion, especially Christianity.

So, when the Iron Guard deliberately and blatantly tried to infuse Orthodox Christianity with fascism to try to control Romania, I fail to see how it is a dangerous undertaking making this connection. Note they are not Catholic. I also fail to see how it is a dangerous undertaking to connect far-right Catholicism with the Utase regime in Yugoslavia. They deliberately tried to force Serbs to convert to their faith, and the Church originally took part in it. The leader of the Utase was a recommendation to Hitler from Mussolini, and when it fell he was ferried out of the area by a network of Jesuit priests. Google "ratlines" and see what you get.

I am making a brief mention to Mexico in the 1930's and their religious influences. I must be some daredevil here for saying all this, but I might have taken this the wrong way.

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...I think I am the only Fascist on WP...


I don't know, depending on who you talk to you're probably not :D



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31 Mar 2012, 2:41 pm

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While politicians and Conservative pundits seem more than willing to make a connection between a socio-political philosophy like fascism and a religion-based philosophy like Islamic fundamentalism, scholars are much less quick to cross that bridge. "Religious fascism," sometimes called "clerical fascism," has been a subject of debate since the latter term was coined to describe what some viewed as the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Mussolini regime. Some people saw the Church as a supporter of Fascism in Italy. Since religion can be so closely tied to ethnicity, many scholars have found philosophical similarities between political fascism and religious fundamentalism. On the other hand, the word is not exactly morally neutral in its contemporary usage. "Fascist" has become a common slur -- a blanket term used to mean "really bad guy." Making a connection between a particular religion and fascism can be a dangerous undertaking considering fascism's current connotation and the inherent difficulty in defining any singular fascist philosophy.


I am just looking at the "dangerous undertaking" part. I have poor comprehension sometimes, but it sounds like there is something that has to stop and make me think about Fascism being connected to religion, especially Christianity.

So, when the Iron Guard deliberately and blatantly tried to infuse Orthodox Christianity with fascism to try to control Romania, I fail to see how it is a dangerous undertaking making this connection. Note they are not Catholic. I also fail to see how it is a dangerous undertaking to connect far-right Catholicism with the Utase regime in Yugoslavia. They deliberately tried to force Serbs to convert to their faith, and the Church originally took part in it. The leader of the Utase was a recommendation to Hitler from Mussolini, and when it fell he was ferried out of the area by a network of Jesuit priests. Google "ratlines" and see what you get.

I am making a brief mention to Mexico in the 1930's and their religious influences. I must be some daredevil here for saying all this, but I might have taken this the wrong way.


Well race and religion can play a role with each other today Fascism is more associated religiously with Islam then it is with Judisam or Christianity.