As being raised Christian, I try not to hate God

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15 Sep 2016, 10:13 pm

Even though I'm raised Christian, I'm finding it hard to not hate God and I'm losing my faith in the God. It will take a novel to write so much about how I feel about the universe today, but the gist of it is that I think my personal life and everybody else's is unfair. Yet, when we go to Heaven, these don't really matter anymore. Why would God create the Earth and dispose of it anyway? I feel so sad and terrible.

Am I the only Christian or only person on the planet who has these beliefs?



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15 Sep 2016, 11:40 pm

I had similar feelings in the past and eventually renounced the religion...now I don't have any specific beliefs.


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16 Sep 2016, 12:13 am

How did you eventually renounce your belief? I don't understand. There's a difference between not believing in God and hating or feeling negative about God.



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16 Sep 2016, 1:30 am

The earth isn't going anywhere - just the people that He doesn't want here. I believe in the Rapture, but I was brought up Catholic. Not too happy with the religion now, so just a more personal relationship with the Big G. The earth is supposed to be cleared out (like what happened with Noah, but not with water) after the Rapture and then everyone that He wants here gets to comes back - like how it was during Adam and Eve.


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16 Sep 2016, 1:55 am

K_Kelly wrote:
Even though I'm raised Christian, I'm finding it hard to not hate God and I'm losing my faith in the God. It will take a novel to write so much about how I feel about the universe today, but the gist of it is that I think my personal life and everybody else's is unfair. Yet, when we go to Heaven, these don't really matter anymore. Why would God create the Earth and dispose of it anyway? I feel so sad and terrible.

Am I the only Christian or only person on the planet who has these beliefs?


I would say "God works in mysterious ways," but I'm not a particularly religious person, and if there is a God, I don't think it's a matter of being mysterious. The fact of the matter is, whether there is a god or not, we are no less finite in our ability to comprehend the universe as a cat, or a dog, or a mouse, or an ant. Each is limited in what it can perceive and understand, and can only make sense of a very small fraction of the universe as a result of that. The human brain is impressive, but also limited all the same.

My cat had cancer on the back of his head. He was completely unaware that he had this cancer, or that it could kill him. He felt just fine. He has no idea why he was put in a box and taken to the vet, handled by scary strangers, and put in a cage in a room with other distressed animals, and poked with needles. He has no idea why he woke up with a throbbing wound on the back of his head, and had his head stuck in a plastic cone for weeks. From his perspective, this horrible experience just happened to him for no reason. He had no idea that he was ill, and the things that horrible things that happened to him were to save his life.

If there is a god, why should we expect our experiences to be any different, and similar things to not happen to us?



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16 Sep 2016, 2:24 am

Depends what God you are talking about. I don't think anybody knows what God is. I don't think the Christian God is genuine so you really shouldn't hate him. It's difficult to hate something if you don't believe it exists.

I've never believed in any specific God so I have never had the experience of hating God. God is just a word invented by humans. You should try not to feel so bad about having ill-will towards an imaginary object. Christianity (and most religions) use guilt as a weapon. You can recognize this for what is and gain strength through doing so.

As for what happens after death, you'll have to come to your own conclusions. Religion exists to ease this existential pain of not knowing, but it becomes a weapon if used incorrectly. /end of opinion



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16 Sep 2016, 3:30 am

As a child I grew to dislike the Christian God as there was so much suffering and injustice in the world; but as I grew older and realised that no gods exist, then it became impossible to hate such entities. I can no more hate the Christian god than I could hate Zeus, Odin, fairies or unicorns. You can't hate that which doesn't exist. I'm now happily atheist.



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16 Sep 2016, 6:58 am

I was also raised Christian early in my childhood and some of that stuck with me, but I found the Problem of Evil irreconcilable and ultimately concluded that god could not exist, and there is no evidence of any sort of deity anyway.

If I did believe in a god, I'm sure I would have plenty of contempt for it as it has evidently not done a very good job.


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16 Sep 2016, 12:40 pm

This boils down to the question of why there is evil, in the world, and people have been paid to answer these questions, about angels dancing on the head of a pin, since Medieval Times. If you had meant to find answers, there is more than you could fit in one human lifetime -- hundreds of writers, for two thousand years, each with their own school of thought.



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17 Sep 2016, 6:38 pm

All I'm hearing is:
"Dear Santa, I'm trying not to be angry about you unfairly giving the kids with rich parents bigger and more presents."

grow up.


-and if you should find the above insulting, read this: - the latest major insult to the idea that the universe is designed "for humans" by a caring and loving entity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_eraser_experiment


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17 Sep 2016, 8:12 pm

Martin Luther had struggled with his love of God early on, as the image of God in the sixteenth century was one of an angry deity who could never be placated, no matter how many good works, or acts of penance one did. It was only when he came to grasp the idea that God's grace was already won for us by his own suffering and death as human being, and not something to be earned, that Luther was able to make his peace with God. That was why Luther acted when faced with the indulgence trade, as people were being told salvation could be bought when it was already theirs.


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17 Sep 2016, 10:30 pm

K_Kelly wrote:
How did you eventually renounce your belief? I don't understand. There's a difference between not believing in God and hating or feeling negative about God.



Well my displeasure with the religion and that particular god led me to look into other ideas and generally question the entire religion. Eventually I decided Christianity really made no sense nor did following the christian god. As of now I don't really know whether any gods/spiritual entities or whatever exist or not but I have more reason to lean towards multiple deities existing than just one all powerful one.


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18 Sep 2016, 2:17 am

i am catholic by birth, but i never understood religion at all.
i do believe in god, but i do not take any notice of any other person's interpretation of god, so i never am interested in thoughts from minds other than my own about god.


i believe that it was a miracle that matter came into existence from nothing, but beyond that i have no idea.



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18 Sep 2016, 10:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
an angry deity who could never be placated


Offering the grace, which can never be earned.

I think most of the schismatics and doubters fail, on the issue grace over works, and predestination.

The era of Enlightenment has taught us that we are to be engaged and choosing every outcome, in all places, and for all times.



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18 Sep 2016, 10:15 am

friedmacguffins wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
an angry deity who could never be placated


Offering the grace, which can never be earned.

I think most of the schismatics and doubters fail, on the issue grace over works, and predestination.

The era of Enlightenment has taught us that we are to be engaged and choosing every outcome, in all places, and for all times.


Unless, due to corrupted human nature, we invariably choose wrong, and are in need of grace as a free gift.


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18 Sep 2016, 10:40 am

The natural outworking of the humanist worldview is, when something is good, we get self-assured. We get cock sure, take things for granted, as though we have earned or deserve it.

When something is bad, we assume that it's our fault, somehow, or are obliged to change the weather (literally).

Self-referential thinking is no less superstitious than belief in a god. You've just chosen to put a different figure at center of the universe.