Trump ditches "drain the swamp" phrase

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Drain the swamp was yet another lie that Conman Trump did to get votes.

His cabinet picks are good proof that he had zero intention to ever drain the swamp! The rich will get richer for at least 4 years. LGBQT community will be hurting a lot too- look up first amendment defense act. Plus net neutrality looks like it might be gutted too.

This is so sickening and frustrating! So many people were conned by Trump's lies. I can bet many Republicans will sit back and enjoy their riches while more laws happen that hurt everyone else!

At this point, I think the majority of Republicans in house and senate are cowards that likely wont impeach Trump, no matter what he does. This will be a horrible 4 years for USA I bet.

It's just a phrase and Trump as president naturally won't use the same rhetoric he was using as a candidate, the intention was always to government. Cabinet looks pretty good to me, most Trump supporters and Republicans are very happy. Who'd you want picked? Can you even answer that question?

What you are saying about gay rights being under threat from that bill is nonsense and something is just talking points being pumped out from the typical 'progressive' corners. Lies, lies, and more lies. They're due to change their narrative now that the electoral college one has been ended. Our British friends called it, they're following a very similar narrative in the UK post-Brexit. MSM should just be totally tuned out at this point and the majority of America has already done so.

Also try 8 years, buddy!

Of course Trump lied. He sucked in all the gullible fools out there.

Yeah lets see how that wall and Muslim immigration thing goes....

Trump dismisses chants of 'lock her up' during stop in Michigan

why do so many trump voters worship mammon and billionaires?

In response to Jacoby- when he was campaigning, you said many times you would be happy he drained the swamp! So it's not just some phrase. It's something Trump said that you believed he would actually do! He lied! There's really no other way to describe it. Same goes for Trump changing his mind on other issues too. He literally lied to get votes and it worked. He isnt the first or last person to do it. But many people (including YOU Jacoby) talked about his promises non-stop, yet he's now backed down from many of them. He lied, period. Stop making excuses.

I'm guessing a tiny amount of Trump voters are rich themselves. Otherwise it just feels like the supporters are just hanging by any words Trump says.

I strongly feel many Trump supporters are hypocrites and just refuse to admit any wrongdoing (just like Trump).

Redacted Tonight: Trump Is The Final Step In The Decades-Long Corporate Criminal Takeover

^^^and 46% of voting Americans think that is just wonderful.

What differently are you expecting him to do as president-elect? I feel like a lot of Trump's views were misrepresented so what you think was promised probably wasn't, I was always very aware of this all being part of Trump's negotiation tactics and those negotiations started a year and a half ago. The saying goes now you took him literally but not seriously and his supporters take him seriously but not literally. Trump said all along he was going appoint successful people from the business world, Trump himself is a businessman which was part of his appeal as being a non-politician. The place I watched most carefully was in terms of foreign policy and Trump has shown a stark departure from the neoconservatism of the Bush/Obama/Clinton years, all three of those clans going way back with the CIA I should add. They're talking about a trillion dollars in infrastructure which is something I think most Democrats would enthusiastically support, Trump has shown himself to be a moderate and pragmatist yet you still act as if he's Hitler. Nothing on earth will convince me that Trump was a worse pick than Hillary, I sincerely doubt you'd be carrying own if she had cheated her way to the White House.

But not literally

Other candidates purposely promise things they never intend to do for purly cover up reasons. Following your reasoning Trump voters whether they intended to or not voted for negotiating positions. Maybe I am wrong but I do think you are the exception, having better relations with Putin was not even near the top proirity of most of his voters. "Draining the swamp" and most certainly locking up Hillary because she is one of ther main cogs in the lefty styled coopratism that not only screwed them economically but mocked them while doing so is.

Most of his voters I am sure still think Hillary would have been a worse choice, but if they voted for him for his main issues they should be pretty PO'd. If they do not care or excuse it out of pure faith in him then what I said early in the primaries was right

Clinton and particularly Obama were in no way neoconservatives. On the other hand, Trump's "Muslims are BAD!" attitude is a great example of the black-and-white morality that neoconservatives are known for.


Only relative to Donald Trump in 2015. Compared to any reasonable person, he's still pretty out there on a lot of issues.

The evidence for him being a moderate could simply be virtue signalling, we simply don't know. Certainly there's not much coherent ideology of moderation there. I wouldn't call any politician who wants to shut down criticism of himself a "moderate".

Would you be convinced that Trump is worse than Hillary if Trump starts a war with China?

Of course, that's hopefully not likely. What about a recession? Strict libel laws? Soaring prices? Increasing reliance on greenhouse gases? More Americans losing access to healthcare? Souring of relations with Iran? A soaring prison population? Failure to make Mexico pay for the wall? Failure to reduce net illegal migration? Appointing horrible Supreme Court judges? All of those things are well within the realm of possibility. Would you really not concede that Trump was a failure if he caused a recession, failed to achieve his goals on immigration, and reduced America's air quality?

Obama has shown a little restraint compared the previous Bush and Clinton presidencies but he is very ideologically driven when it comes to foreign policy. Obama very much believes in regime change and 'seeding democracy', he doubled down or expanded on pretty much all the Bush era security policies and went quite a bit further in a number of areas. What you are saying about Trump's position as to Muslims is misrepresentation, repeating stuff like that I know not to be true just hardens my position. Obama's administration has been extensively involved in the 'Arab Spring' and is in large part responsible for the civil wars in Libya and Syria.

The Bush, Clinton, and Obama family are CIA families; everyone knows this is true with the Bush's but Clinton has been deep with the CIA since his time as Attorney General or Governor of Arkansas when they were importing cocaine into the state. Obama's family background is reeks of CIA when you look who was employed by whom and where and the common practices of the agency. I see the CIA as having been in de-facto control of this country since 1980, the CIA absolutely hated Jimmy Carter as he was a DC outsider which only happened because of Watergate. The Church committee had exposed their wrong doing so they lost their grip for a few years, they'd come roaring back 4 years later.

I've always been pretty consistent with why I was supporting Trump, it is probably right that most people do not share my interest or views when it comes to foreign policy but there are still a lot of people out there that do. That was also a large part of the reason I supported Ron Paul and is also why I wasn't as enthused about his son Rand. My views depart from a lot of people when it comes to Russia and Iran but I see there being a propaganda war against these states and the threat they actually pose to the being fairly minor, I feel like we could have much better relations with both countries if it was approached with mutual respect for each other's self interests and to work together on the things we share. Unfortunately I do not believe many favor my views as to Iran but I still think things will be better under Trump than it would Clinton, Clinton would be beholden to the Gulf Arabs who funded a large part of her campaign and they demand action against the Iranians more than Israelis altho you really hear the news mention that. Israel is a lot stronger and tougher on her own than given credit for, it is the weak and scared feudal rulers of these Gulf countries that feel an existential threat from Iran. I would hope that improving relations with Russia could lead to better relations with Iran and China, I think if we scratch Putin's back he'll scratch ours and it will be a mutually beneficial relationship.

Trump always positioned himself as pragmatic and a deal maker which has always been a large part of his appeal; it's this idea that he competent, has a backbone, will actually get things done. Trump is moderate when compared to the standard conservative dogma, I am sure most people prefer Trump as president compared to Ted Cruz.

What will convince me that Trump is worse than Hillary? I don't think there is anything that could happen where Hillary could inactively gain my support because of something Trump did, Hillary would have to change herself into being more palatable which I don't see happening. While I genuinely do support Trump, I have always been clear and consistent in my opposition to the Clinton's and it's something that has been hardwired in me since I was a child in the 90s growing up with their scandal and desecration of the office. If Trump does something I oppose then I will oppose it but he isn't even president yet, I am educated in the separation of powers and the constitution so I know that Trump can't rule by decree and do whatever he wants which I am factoring into the equation. There are lots of reasons for failure, trying something and not being able to get necessarily what you want is a lot better than capitulating before the fight has even been fought. If Trump is able to do something and doesn't then there is reason to criticize but some things are out of his control, it seems like some Hillary supporters are incredulous that Trump has been conciliatory towards her and noncommittal about prosecuting her but the president can't unilaterally declare someone guilty or lead the prosecution himself, Hillary is owed due process just as anybody else. Part of the issue with Obama was his administration the deep political involvement in the FBI and Justice Department, he has undermined the integrity of our law enforcement institutions so noncommittal and conciliatory is exactly how Trump should act as it will be Jeff Sessions who will be our next Attorney General.

We shall see what Trump will do as president, electing anybody is a leap of faith but there came a point where there was nothing to lose. I trust Trump's competencies and believe he will get a lot done. I am a political junkie of sorts and Trump's emergence was something new and different, I always saw the order in the chaos and thought it was genius which gives me confidence in Trump's ability to pursue his agenda. Trump I believe is mostly non-ideological beyond his core issues which he has been talking about for 30 years, the chip on his shoulder to prove everyone wrong is something I relate with and is a part of his personality that I think will mesh will with the presidency. Trump is a workaholic and true leader, he seems more president now than Obama does and has gotten far more accomplished in this lame duck period.

I am not a fan of Obama, Clinton or Trump.

I will say, at least Trump tells more obvious lies.

When the Trump presidency begins, I feel this is what needs to be focused on and what he should be being held to and judged on:

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landin ... actv02.pdf

His own contract for the first hundred days he made with the American people. Drain the Swamp is right at the end and the smallest section on that page and is ethics reform and reducing the influence of special interests. So that's what he needs to be held to, and his cabinet picks or ditching the words "drain the swamp" don't necessarily get in the way of that. On the first page he has his six measures to clean up corruption and special interest collusion. The first thing on the page.

Ditching the words "drain the swamp" makes me think of Sargon of Akkad, the Youtuber I watch. He tears into the feminists and regressives and SJWs in his videos, but occasionally gets one such person in for a livestream where he treats them respectfully and sometimes catches flak from his audience for not tearing into these people like he does in his regular videos. But if he did, no one would ever come on his channel with him. Trump has to work with these people now, and he can't really go around saying things like that if he wants to establish a working relationship with them and get things done. I have low expectations for his presidency and fears, but this does fit in with the message he gave at his victory speech about wanting to come together with all America, and his pretty much burying the hatchet with Clinton and working cordially with Obama despite the past with those two, and I do think this is a good thing, a clean slate. You can't work with people if you're telling them and the World that they're garbage. Look at what that did for Hillary with her basket of deplorables. I thought Trump would gloat following his victory but he didn't, and I think that's a positive. I haven't watched a great deal of Trump post victory, but I haven't seen him gloat at all, not even one little dig somewhere, and that I think is a good sign. I don't want to get my hopes up at all, but I really didn't expect to see that from Trump.

Meanwhile he dressed down the media afterwards because he still can. They're going to cover his presidency whatever, and kind of need him more than he needs them, so he can tear into them pretty much as much as he likes.

I wish they'd stop comparing politicians to alligators.I'd prefer to have an alligator in my home than a politician.
Calling DC a swamp isn't accurate either,swamps are wonderful places,full of all sorts of diverse life.A better comparison would be toxic waste dump.