Poll: Trump Pardons

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Who can and should Trump pardon?

He can and should pardon everyone including himself	6%	[ 1 ]
He can and should pardon everyone except himself	0%	[ 0 ]
He can't pardon himself	25%	[ 4 ]
He shouldn't pardon anyone in this matter	44%	[ 7 ]
If he does issue pardons, commence with impeachment	19%	[ 3 ]
Other, please elaborate	6%	[ 1 ]

Total votes : 16

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21 Jul 2017, 5:56 pm

Can and should Trump pardon himself and his family?

Should he preemptively pardon everyone who may or may not have participated in Russian espionage?

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21 Jul 2017, 8:22 pm

I voted that he can't pardon himself. Now, I don't have the legal expertise to make such a pronouncement, but damn it, there's a reason why Presidential impeachment is in the constitution, and someone sitting in the highest office shouldn't get away with criminality, especially because he's sitting in the highest office.

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21 Jul 2017, 8:58 pm

That's sheer idiocy; how can one pardon one's self???????

Imagine if Nixon was able to pardon himself because of "executive privilege?"

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21 Jul 2017, 9:17 pm

There is precedent for pardoning Flynn, Manafort, T2, etc. What if he does?

He can deffos write a pardon for himself. As a matter of fact, he could tweet it. Would it hold water? Nobody knows.

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21 Jul 2017, 9:19 pm

Trump ain't going to look good, that's for sure.

He doesn't look good now---for even suggesting such a thing.

I think the fact that Trump insulted Sessions speaks of desperation.

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22 Jul 2017, 2:18 am

President Trump is considering pardoning himself. I asked 15 experts if that's legal. “The fact that we're even talking about it is a measure of how far we've fallen under Trump."

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President Trump’s lawyers are exploring the potential uses of presidential pardons — including whether the president can pardon himself — as part of an effort to undermine special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, according to a new Washington Post report.

I reached out to 15 legal experts and asked them if the president has the constitutional authority to pardon himself. As it turns out, this is something of a legal gray area. The overwhelming consensus was that Trump could make a plausible legal argument that his pardoning powers extend to himself, mostly because the Constitution isn’t clear about this — and, frankly, because this is just not a situation the framers expected.

All the experts agreed about one other fact: Even if Trump does pardon himself, that would not shield him from impeachment hearings. And most believe if he did make a move like this, it would be both an admission of guilt and a potential constitutional crisis.

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22 Jul 2017, 8:08 am

If the president can pardon himself, then the president can rule like a dictator. They or their underlings can do anything and he can just pardon them every time they're convicted. The process would be the most farcical thing, an immediate guilty plea followed by an immediate sentencing followed by an immediate pardon. Rinse and repeat.

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22 Jul 2017, 9:37 am

This rumor stems from the Washington Post claiming it received a tip (from an anonymous source I'm sure) that the president had essentially asked (who?) if he could pardon himself and his family.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... cd2f95b206

At this point in time this has zero credibility in my opinion.

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22 Jul 2017, 10:38 am

I find it completely hilarious how often Trump supporters get contradicted by Trump himself, lately!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tw ... d=48790289

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Trump's highlighting his power as president to issue pardons comes on the heels of his legal team's asserting that the question of pardons related to the Russia investigation is "not on the table."

"Pardons are not being discussed and are not on the table,” Jay Sekulow a member of President Trump’s legal team, told ABC News.

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22 Jul 2017, 1:49 pm

Some people have become very skeptical of what certain media outlets have to say about Trump. Especially when it's presented as a tip from an anonymous source. More often than not it's nonsense.

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22 Jul 2017, 3:35 pm

EzraS wrote:

Some people have become very skeptical of what certain media outlets have to say about Trump. Especially when it's presented as a tip from an anonymous source. More often than not it's nonsense.

Supposing he does pardon himself, what would your opinion be?

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22 Jul 2017, 7:06 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Some people have become very skeptical of what certain media outlets have to say about Trump. Especially when it's presented as a tip from an anonymous source. More often than not it's nonsense.

Supposing he does pardon himself, what would your opinion be?

My opinion would be based on what the circumstances were.

I can understand him asking a question like that though, since they seem so desperate to dig up or come up with anything they can nail him with.

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22 Jul 2017, 7:58 pm

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Some people have become very skeptical of what certain media outlets have to say about Trump. Especially when it's presented as a tip from an anonymous source. More often than not it's nonsense.

Supposing he does pardon himself, what would your opinion be?

But if he's not guilty of anything, what has he to be afraid of?

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23 Jul 2017, 8:16 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Some people have become very skeptical of what certain media outlets have to say about Trump. Especially when it's presented as a tip from an anonymous source. More often than not it's nonsense.

Supposing he does pardon himself, what would your opinion be?

But if he's not guilty of anything, what has he to be afraid of?

Ask all the people who have been wrongfully convicted for something they weren't guilty of. Especially the ones who had investigators and prosecutors who were determined to pin something on them. I know I'd be nervous if I was being investigated for something I didn't do and seeking legal counsel and finding out what my options were just in case.

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com ... -the-math/

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23 Jul 2017, 8:30 am

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But if he's not guilty of anything, what has he to be afraid of?

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23 Jul 2017, 9:20 am

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