CIAs' role in terrorism during Cold War and drug trade
I just translated a documentary show that discusses the disclosure of some of CIA's files and it raised my interest. It seems that the CIA has deliberately spared some Nazis, and recruited them as CIA agent to work for America's intelligence operations.
One example was that the CIA caught this Nazi guy called Eugen Steimle, interrogated him and had him sentenced to death by hanging, but was then surprisingly suspended.
Another example was that, one of the Nazis the CIA recruited was Paul Dickopf as their agent, the Nazi former head of Interpol who had had contact with terrorists. Apparently, disclosed documents showed that the CIA knew of Dickopf's contact with terrorism, but still did nothing, thus indirectly allowing the 1972 Munich Massacre to happen.
The show ends by stating that the CIA supported numerous terrorist acts and revolts in other countries during the Cold War as an attempt to curb the influence of the Communists and "The Third Way", thus manipulating the politics in different governments. And that they were able to do so because they were benefiting from the drugs trade.
This was a very eye-opening experience for me, because as a Hong Kong resident who's constantly under the threat of a horrible communist regime, I've lived my life believing that Communism is just as evil as Fascism, and that a democratic and capitalist society like America's is the best possible answer around. Now I'm not sure.
What is your thought? Are there anything that I've gotten wrongly or you'd like to add?
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CIA operation "paperclip" brought over Nazi-associated scientific luminaries such as Wherner Von Braun, by the gross, we needed their brainpower to beat the soviets. so we made a deal with the devil, so to speak. to L>I>V>E is to be E<V<I<L. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." until that happens, us humans are just fancier versions of scorpions in a bottle, stinging each other and forever maneuvering for supremacy and survival.
CIA operation "paperclip" brought over Nazi-associated scientific luminaries such as Wherner Von Braun, by the gross, we needed their brainpower to beat the soviets. so we made a deal with the devil, so to speak. to L>I>V>E is to be E<V<I<L. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." until that happens, us humans are just fancier versions of scorpions in a bottle, stinging each other and forever maneuvering for supremacy and survival.
Thanks for sharing the article!
So it was mainly the war criminals who brought us where we are today. I don't know how I am supposed to feel about this.
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much human technological progress has come about primarily from warfare or things related to warfare. other species out there in the cosmos are not likely to be that different. what does that make you think about the universe? it makes me shudder, then retreat to my hermit hole of the body and mind.
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Behind the secret plan to bring Nazi scientists to the US
Within the year, hundreds of the Third Reich’s upper echelon would be relocated to the United States, where they would be given excellent jobs, healthy salaries, and all the benefits of living in a free society.
It was a secret program known as Paperclip, and it remains one of the most complicated and controversial epochs in American history. And, still, one of the most classified.
In her new book “Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program to Bring Nazi Scientists to America” (Little, Brown and Company), author Annie Jacobsen uses newly released documents, court transcripts, and family-held archives to give the fullest accounting yet of this endeavor — one shared by the British, the French, and the Russians, all of whom enlisted and embraced top Nazis.
Wernher von Braun, the Nazi scientist crucial to the development of the V-2 rocket — which held a payload of 2,000 pounds and flew five times beyond the speed of sound — saw it coming: In March 1945, he conscripted two friends to stash his most important research out in an abandoned mine; when Germany lost, von Braun said, he’d use these documents to broker a new life in the United States.
He knew that no matter what atrocities were eventually discovered, no major world power would refuse the technological advances made by the Nazis — nor could they afford not to know how to combat them, vaccinate against them, outpace them.
That same year, the Department of Defense created a top-secret, elite task force called the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency, or JOIA. They were subordinate to the Joint Intelligence Committee, which briefed the Joint Chiefs of Staff on national security threats.
“To understand the mind-set of the Joint Intelligence Committee,” Jacobsen writes, “consider this: Within one year of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the JIC warned the Joint Chiefs of Staff that the United States needed to prepare for ‘total war’ with the Soviets — to include atomic, chemical, and biological warfare — and they even set an estimated start date of 1952.”
As of May 1945, Werner von Braun was No. 1 on America’s list for desired Nazi rocket scientists. When he surrendered to US forces on May 2 — having voluntarily decamped from a luxury ski resort in the Alps — von Braun and his colleagues were treated to a hearty breakfast of eggs, coffee and bread, then given freshly made beds in which to sleep.
President Truman ‘was not made aware of the initiative’Harry S. Truman Library
“I did not expect to be kicked in the teeth,” von Braun later told an American reporter. “The V-2 was something we had and you didn’t have. Naturally, you wanted to know all about it.”
Also at the top of the list was Dr. Kurt Blome, Hitler’s head of cancer research and a diehard Nazi. He was discovered at a checkpoint on May 17, 1945, and in his initial interrogation, Blome admitted that he had seen experiments “which led to later atrocities e.g. mass sterilization, gassing of Jews.”
Then came the capture of Georg Rickhey, an expert on the Third Reich’s impenetrable underground bunkers. Rickhey was interrogated by Col. Peter Beasley, who told him, “As an American officer, I want my country to have full possession of all your knowledge. To my superiors, I shall recommend that you be taken to the United States.”
Among those tasked with finding and apprehending the most wanted men in the Third Reich — and the number of government agencies that became involved — there was deep discord about the morality of Operation Paperclip.
Jacobsen accessed the transcript of a volatile meeting, secretly recorded, at the War Department. The names were redacted.
“One of the ground rules for bringing them over,” said one general, “is that it will be temporary, and at the return of their exploitation they will be sent back to Germany.”
“I’m opposed,” said another general. “And Pop Powers [nickname of an unknown official] is opposed, the whole War Department is opposed.”
It didn’t matter. Unofficial US policy held that it was imperative to secretly procure those Nazis who could accelerate America’s scientific, technological and economic advancement.
Meanwhile, the Allies held elite Nazis in two luxurious locales: the Palace Hotel in Luxembourg, renamed “Ashcan,” and Crane Mountain Castle in Hesse, Germany, renamed “Dustbin.”
Here, the most warped and wicked Nazis lounged in well-appointed rooms, strolled through apple orchards, played chess, smoked and drank, and gave each other lectures in grand halls. In the mornings, Hitler’s doctor taught a workout class.
The War Department moved quickly. In July, they made their top-secret project official, circulating a memo titled “Exploitation of German Specialists in Science and Technology in the United States.”
Jacobsen writes that President Truman “was not made aware of the initiative,” which was initially known as Operation Overcast.
Months later, when the War Department began tagging the files of their most reprehensible Nazi recruits with paper clips as intra-office code — these Nazis were truly to be smuggled in, made known to no other bureaucracies — the program became known as Operation Paperclip.
Meanwhile, Truman ordered the Department of Commerce to propagandize the advances made by the Nazis, ones that were now making Americans’ lives easier, more comfortable: Women could buy stockings that wouldn’t run, butter churned so fast and juice now sterilized so simply that there would be an abundance for all. Electrical equipment that had once been the size of crates was no bigger than your smallest finger.
By January 1946, two months after the Nuremberg trials had begun, there were more than 160 Nazis — many with their families — living and working in the United States.
A good number were housed at a facility called Hilltop in Dayton, Ohio, where many complained they were little more than “caged animals.” The US military scientists working alongside them were disgusted by their new colleagues, expressing “emotions . . . ranging from vehemence to frustration.”
The other group — at 115, the largest — was a team of rocket scientists held on Fort Bliss in Texas. Their leader was Wernher von Braun, who, it turned out, really loved America. He was enthralled with the desert and the open-air jeeps driven by Army personnel. He became an evangelical Christian. He was permitted to return to Germany to marry his 18-year-old cousin — von Braun was 46 — and bring her back to the US. If he had one complaint, it was his research budget.
As he later said, while working for the Third Reich “we’d been coddled. Here they were counting pennies.”
In November 1946, shortly after 10 Nazis were executed at Nuremberg by US Master Sgt. John C. Woods (“I hanged those 10 Nazis . . . and I am proud of it”), news broke that the US had smuggled hundreds of Nazis into the country, and that about 1,000 more were coming. (The final count was close to 1,600.) The government attempted damage control, then message control: These men, so mild-mannered with their silver hair and American sport jackets, had never been members of the Nazi party. The Army disseminated pictures of the men and their families engaged in wholesome outdoor activities, and any reporter requesting an interview had to submit their copy, pre-publication, to the army for approval.
Not everyone was fooled. Eleanor Roosevelt publicly decried the program, as did Albert Einstein. By March 1947, Paperclip had generated such lacerating public opinion that General Eisenhower, then the US Army chief of staff, demanded a briefing. It lasted 20 minutes, and upon emerging, Eisenhower said he approved of the project.
Wernher von Braun helped get us to the moon; in the years before the landing, he was photographed with President Kennedy. Heinrich Rose and Konrad Buttner, two hardcore Nazis, conducted experiments for the US on how best to protect soldiers in atomic warfare.
Today, the Space Medicine Association and the National Space Club continue to bestow awards named after Nazis. When Jacobsen asked Steve Griffin, head of the National Space Club, why they memorialize Nazi Kurt Debus in this way, he was dispassionate and logical.
“Simple as it is,” he said, “Kurt Debus is an honored American.”
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They even made a song back then on Wherner Von Braun!? I feel bad to say this but I kinda loved it.
So all this has always been an open fact ever since WWII ended? (sorry for being ignorant) Looking at articles posted here, it seems like the recruited former Nazis have been pretty highkey. I thought this is something the CIA would want to keep under the table. It also puzzled me why they would decide to disclose some of their documents back in 2007, but I think that is a really nice gesture.
On the other side of the world during WWII, there was this Japanese Unit 731 stationed in China. The Unit allegedly conducted numerous human experiments on Chinese war prisoners and the US also seized their research data. It seems that evil governments all have a thing for torturing people. Some HK filmmakers made a horror film on this. *low-budget grotesque film scenes alert*
http://horrornews.net/65019/film-review ... 8-cat-iii/
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Entertaining and very well done...
But shouldn't the satire be better focused on the hypocrisy of the people who used him?
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Psychopaths are a valuable commodity and are used to effect in virtually all nations...
