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Do You Agree With The Description of The Ideal Politician?
Completely agree. 40%  40%  [ 4 ]
Mostly agree. 30%  30%  [ 3 ]
I don't care / I don't know. 20%  20%  [ 2 ]
Mostly disagree. 10%  10%  [ 1 ]
Completely disagree. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 10

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31 Jan 2019, 5:22 pm

The Ideal Politician...

... Achieves common sense solutions that appropriately address current and future needs.

... Allows for reasonable compromise, and does not seek compromise for its own sake.

... Believes that solutions are more important than bias or blame.

... Does what is right, and not what is merely popular.

... Holds a political ideology based on reason and pragmatism within the contexts of both short-term and long-term thinking.

... Is not constrained by party lines.

... Is not defined as much by compromise or moderation, as by the fair and just considerate of these actions.

... Prioritizes the public trust far ahead of corporate and private interests.

... Serves the common good with consideration of risk and capacity in the context of public need.

... Strives for a balanced approach to equality and fairness, to freedom and responsibility, and to law and justice.

... Supports policy-making that is based on vetted factual evidence, and not on assumption, belief, faith, or ideology.

... Takes no part in abuse, bribery, conspiracy, corruption, or any exploitation of position or power.



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01 Feb 2019, 1:24 pm

Sounds good to me, but you need a system in which such a person can flourish. The easiest example in the United States is good luck with trying to implement your point about private / corporate interests needing to be second to the people when the corporations are flooding the other side with vast amounts of money to ensure they're the ones being put first.

Get the corporate dollar out of US politics.

Also, look at who questions and engages with politicians. It's the press, with all their biases. How often do they have to answer directly to the people? The press of course have their place doing this, but imagine if more often than not they were just there to hold the mic and film while the public asked the questions, and to not let them do their BS and make them answer the damn question.

Fact based politics unfortunately fails because of the popularity contest nature of politics in the United States. (Not just the US but I think especially in the US with the long campaigning and pandering to the individual states.)

You'd have to build the campaign structure around facts, imagine a much shorter campaign structured around a few televised debates tightly focused on pertinent topics. And in which if you say you're going to do something and then win and don't, you get hammered relentlessly for it. That's my initial idea. None of this touring America for months on end, no one could properly follow that, but the serious voter could follow and remember perhaps a small double digit hours total of tightly focused campaign coverage. Less than 20 hours. Imagine if it was say 16 hours over 8 weeks. You're asking the public to give you two hours of their time a week for 8 weeks to elect the next POTUS. Less time means they would have to pack substance into it instead of all the BS that happens now. Put the footage not just on TV but online on demand to maximise the chances people will make sure they see it.



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01 Feb 2019, 1:47 pm

Drake wrote:
... you need a system in which such a person can flourish ... get the corporate dollar out of US politics ... the press ... they were just there to hold the mic and film while the public asked the questions, and to not let them do their BS ... make them answer the damn question ... build the campaign structure around facts ... a much shorter campaign structured around a few televised debates tightly focused on pertinent topics ... in which if you say you're going to do something and then win and don't, you get hammered relentlessly for it ... none of this touring America for months on end ... 16 hours over 8 weeks ... asking the public to give you two hours of their time a week for 8 weeks to elect the next POTUS ... put the footage not just on TV but online on demand to maximise the chances people will make sure they see it.
One the one hand, I extracted the salient points of your argument. On the other hand, there is nothing there for me to argue against. On the gripping hand, however, what you present is an ideal system based on fact and reason, which means that it is unacceptable to the majority of voters and nearly all of the elected leaders, and totally reprehensible to the current POTUS.

The ideal politician requires an ideal system held up by the ideal citizen -- none of which have much hope of surviving in the Real World.



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01 Feb 2019, 8:09 pm

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The best people to have power are the ones who don't want it. Kit Harington
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/kit_harington_486562 https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/kit_harington_486562


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01 Feb 2019, 8:20 pm

It's Utopian...but it would be nice.....



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11 Feb 2019, 11:49 am

since it's 2018 we have to add.. the ideal politician in charge books a two star hotel in a mid-low-low tier neigbourhood in their own country and in another foreign country for at least three consecutive weeks and investigate the way of common folks with their own eyes. (Instead of believing the stuff .. )

Which there is almost none in the west nowadays . Regardless of age, color, national origin, citizenship status, physical or mental disability, race, religion, creed, gender, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, marital status, status with regard to public assistance, status as a disabled veteran and/or Veteran of the Vietnam Era, or genetic information . Unbelievable.



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11 Feb 2019, 5:11 pm

cemil wrote:
since it's 2018

Happy New Year it's 2019 :D
The ideal politician if he or she exists I and most people outside their family and friends will be, are, and always will unknown.


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13 Feb 2019, 12:37 am

Plenty of ex politicians here, and none of them are found to be ideal or correct in their decision making.



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13 Feb 2019, 6:39 am

Why do people expect politics to change, after all this time in human history? Human beings are not nearly as systematic as their systems, and life is not made of logic and reason alone. All of us wants to believe in our individuality, yet we constantly yearn for political systems and politicians who can give "the people" what is "right" and "fair." Why not realize systems can rarely address individual people, instead of continuing to coax people into altering themselves to fit into systems? Why trust anyone who wants to preside over large bodies of people, especially people they don't even know? Politics by its nature is going to attract the worst aspects of human nature.



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14 Feb 2019, 3:18 am

HighLlama wrote:
Politics by its nature is going to attract the worst aspects of human nature.


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What's the meaning of the phrase 'Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely'?
The proverbial saying 'power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely' conveys the opinion that, as a person's power increases, their moral sense diminishes. https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/abs ... utely.html



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15 Feb 2019, 12:06 am

I like the sound of that, too bad that one will never exist. If one ever does, he or she won't be a human being.


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