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I think within the next few years the first signs of a tangible world government are going to come to fruition. In my opinion it's only a matter of time until the UN starts taking a more active role in politics. It already has a significant impact on foreign affairs in preventing wars, mediation between opponents and an attempt to create a common acceptable approach to human rights.

But I think as global warming is becoming more and more obvious and destructive (Hurricane Katrina, severe flooding in Asia, drought in Africa, deaths from heat waves) for the first time ever most people in positions of power will think it's justified for the United Nations to go one step further than it has into actually becoming a world enforcer. I think the UN will soon levy a carbon tax of some kind on every country and anyone who refuses to take part will face economic sanctions, or worse, military intervention.

I might sound a little strange but I think this is inevitable. When human survival is at stake people in power can become really doggedly determined to do anything to save us. Corrupt politicians and businessmen of the likes of George Bush and his cronies are going to be history soon. People like that are losing all credibility because what matters most now is the very matter of life and death. Will we all survive global warming if we don't tackle it? Probably not. And that's how the UN will convince most countries around the world to agree to more taxation, more security and set in place a global rigid structure.

But I don't think most of us will actually enjoy life any more. I think in the next few years there will be an ever increasing focus on security. It won't be national security though because that is just too fragile. Terrorism is so large a problem I think it's inevitable that a global security solution is the only option. Watch out - I think we're going to have more restrictions in movement than ever and immigration will become virtually unacceptable as nations try to defend their economies from the damages of terrorism. As a recession is looming, each country will be all the more desperate to protect itself - the result will be a bizarre global consensus that immigration is bad and carbon tax is good - both for the simple fact that they will make us safer.

Centripedal forces preclude the possiblility of a true world government. And the UN is a useless, corrupt money-eater. Read "Lords of Poverty" for an eye-opener.
And don't fret so about climate variations that have gone on since the Earth was a molten ball. Now might be a good time to move to Greenland (I can't remember it's new name) and start a farm? The Vikings were able to farm there for a few centuries, back when England exported wine to France. I wonder when it will get that warm again?

One world government? More like a one world dictatorship. Bush and his crew, hell both right and left wings, and foreign politicians, are all puppetts of this shadow government. The banks are the ones with the real power.

Here, watch these clips from my link here:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt56608.html

i dont know, much like my relationship with my mother i cant decide if i want to believe it or not

eitherways something fishy is going on

Perambulator, the UN draws its military forces from membership countries. As such, it lacks any means to force anyone to fight on its behalf. As such, it lacks any real political power.

Examine the Cypress civil war, the Korean war, Bosnian/Serbian war, Darfur or many others. Lots of countries opted out and refused to support the UN with soldiers.

Canadian troops manned the Cypress DMZ to stop the civil war 30+ years ago. Today, Cypress is still divided. The UN has not been able to correct that situation in all this time. Its a tiny little piddly island, but all the sanctions in the world havent done squat.

The UN is useless, and will become more useless with time as member countries refuse to support it.

Any country that faced a carbon tax per UN edict would immediately pull its funding and troops from the UN. The UN is run by charity from member countries.

Fuzzy and Peram are both right in my opinion. The state of the world as layed out by Peram is a strong and likely image of the way things are headed. Though Fuzzy makes good points about the UN and how castrated and worthless it is. Right now.

Between those two ideas, it seems prime real estate for a reformation of the UN itself, giving it more power, with government appointed leaders at its head. It'll probably even have a new name.

Have you ever heard of the League of Nations? It was an early united nations, and there is a lesson to be learned(and likely repeated, unfortunately).

The UN isnt going to get stronger.

Why, yes, I have. And mind you, there are always lessons to be learned, from everything.



This is pure speculation, as is this whole thread

two things

1. the U.N. Is too ineffectual to really do anything although I do believe it has one world, one nation objectives disturbingly enough.

2. Manmade Global warming is BS I could go into the science an politicos of it, but I'll stick to a simple rule of making a case, if you need alarmism to sell your objectives you're full of crap and with notions like with change of 6 degrees New York will be under the ocean that seems pretty darn alarmist.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=0

Last edited by loudmouth on 13 Feb 2008, 2:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

1) not all alarmism is wrong - the idea that the bald eagle was near extinction was objectively correct. It was only the alarm that led to a change in policy, and now the eagle is doing ok.

2) 6 degrees does not sound like much, but ask any climatologist (even if they don't believe in anthropogenic global warming) how much hotter it needs to be to melt the glaciers, or how much cooler it has to get to put us back into an ice age. Think of it this way - your body temp fluctuates through out the day. If you are exercising, it is quite a bit warmer. If you are in the cold weather (even with some insulation), it can drop a few degrees. But if your body's thermostat goes much above an average of 98.x, you will lose weight and have other issues. If it drops much below normal, you will have a very differnent set of issues.

I think the UN is stronger than they appear on the surface. The UN is controlled by banks, the shadow web government that operates behind national level politics across the world. They do have globalist objectives. They've even got a one world military with shiney blue helmets, that we're told are "peace keeping" forces.... These so-called "peacekeepers" are responsible for human rights violations all over the world, especially in the 3rd world and they've been known to kill and rape with impunity.
As a matter of fact, that's why the UN was REALLY built in the first place, to advance a one world dictatorship. And it's really all a ranking order because I think the Vatican Church is above the UN.
Global warming is being used as a scare tactic to get people to follow along with their globalist tyrannical objectives.

I'm all for space exploration and the utilizing of spatial resources such as moon mining for Helium 3 (isotope for efficient fusion reactors), harvesting the asteroid belt and mars, going from there. But such a thing won't -or rather shouldn't- happen until Earth is united.

I think Earth should be united, but it's a matter of how we can do such a thing. Union by force will only lead to more force, fascism, totalitarianism, and a global dictator. There is a LOT of work that needs to be done before we unite the planet, and I don't think it's possible in this century. Though I would like to see a global colony on the moon or mars, even if just for industry in my life. To me, it's a matter of getting the common story we(as denizens of Earth) live by to be for the good of all the people of Earth, which almost no currently people hold.

I think that a true World Government will come about at one stage or another, for good or for evil. It is inevitable. There are many possibilities. One thing I am opposed to is the form which is currently planned by the illuminati. A faux democracy with power concentrated in the hands of a small group of people who have only their own interests at heart. A world war is favourable to such a thing. They would decide what freedoms we should have, and silence free speech. It would crumble eventually, but not before much damage has been done to humanity! This generation has an era of great tumult, worse than the two world wars put together, to look forward to. Freedom is forfeit. They own you. And it's creeping upon the world gradually.

Let's look at the facts:

- The UN has no real armed forces of its own, hence relies on members.
- The soldiers it does get typically don't shoot even in self-defence - most UN peacekeepers are just tourists (including sexual tourists) in uniform.
- The UN has no tax-collection service of its own or sources of revenue of its own - it mainly relies on the US and Japan for funds.
- All sorts of major decisions are taken outside the UN, from the invasion of Iraq to Nato intervention in Kosovo to peace and war in resource-rich Congo (where UN mediation has been particularly futile) to the mess that is the Middle East (where nobody abides by UN resolutions), etc.
- An organisation in which France has the same formal representation as the US, and East Timor the same as Germany, India or Japan, is simply not very credible (cf. League of Nations)

So no, the UN isn't taking over the world any time soon. It is an almost powerless organisation, in fact.