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22 Aug 2007, 9:23 am

I am not sure this is the place to bring up this topic, but here goes. My 16 yo aspie son is telling me he sees entities, energies,or beings all around all of us everyday. Now I don't want to dispute this (I don't know what's out there, do you?), but it is very disconcerting to find that he believes these are demons and that he prefers Satan. I am afraid for him and don't know if his brain is processing on a different level and he can see the energy that is exerted by everyday occurances (movement, feelings, etc.) or if he is having sensory hallucinations.

Either way, how do I get through to him that life at 16 is terrible and that it does get better. That he needs to open his mind and look at all the possibilities.

Any help, suggestions or opinions would be greatly appreciated.



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22 Aug 2007, 10:41 am

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I am not sure this is the place to bring up this topic, but here goes. My 16 yo aspie son is telling me he sees entities, energies,or beings all around all of us everyday. Now I don't want to dispute this (I don't know what's out there, do you?), but it is very disconcerting to find that he believes these are demons and that he prefers Satan. I am afraid for him and don't know if his brain is processing on a different level and he can see the energy that is exerted by everyday occurances (movement, feelings, etc.) or if he is having sensory hallucinations.

Either way, how do I get through to him that life at 16 is terrible and that it does get better. That he needs to open his mind and look at all the possibilities.

Any help, suggestions or opinions would be greatly appreciated.


I hate to tell you this, but they probably actually are demons. The only other explanation is hallucinations, but, given that your son loves Satan, and that demons are actually real, he is likely being given some kind of demonic visions. Whether they are true or false visions, your son is in a very bad and dangerous place, and needs to get help from a local pastor or Christian psychologist. And if he loves Satan, that is his number-one trouble sign right now. He badly needs to change his mind. He is on a sure course for distruction.


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22 Aug 2007, 12:29 pm

Well, the entities as you call them may not all be demons; they could be a whole range of things he is seeing. It would be good if he could see someone who knows about these things, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a Christian person does it. I think it should be someone neutral without a religious bias, though not sure what or who that person would be. Maybe a neutral counsellor who could explore what he means by love and Satan would be good because these words may mean something different to a Christian or someone else.



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22 Aug 2007, 1:03 pm

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Well, the entities as you call them may not all be demons; they could be a whole range of things he is seeing. It would be good if he could see someone who knows about these things, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a Christian person does it.
Well, why not go to one? If they're demons he's seeing, a Christian professional is who he needs to see. If they're not demons, a professional being a Christian isn't going to hurt, now is it? This is not the time or place to quibble over whether a Christian doctor is really necessary -- better safe than sorry. This kid is in genuine, spiritual trouble. My ex-fiancé's son just jumped off a bridge and killed himself a couple weeks ago, and there were scarry warning signs like these beforehand, so I know what I'm talking about.


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22 Aug 2007, 1:58 pm

I didn't say he shouldn't go to the Christian, but if he is in that much trouble, then lets WIDEN the range of people that may be able to help, after all this is serious.

My concern, being of a very different path is that the help may be biased.

I also want the best for him, I think we can both agree on that at least.



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22 Aug 2007, 2:15 pm

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I didn't say he shouldn't go to the Christian, but if he is in that much trouble, then lets WIDEN the range of people that may be able to help, after all this is serious.

My concern, being of a very different path is that the help may be biased.

I also want the best for him, I think we can both agree on that at least.


Yes, I agree with you on that one point.

But I don't know what you mean by "biased". Is a mechanic biased toward cars, or does he just know more about car repair then the average person?


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22 Aug 2007, 2:17 pm

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I didn't say he shouldn't go to the Christian ... the help may be biased.


¿Que?

That's contradictory. You are saying he shouldn't see a Christian.


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22 Aug 2007, 2:39 pm

joshsmom4...sent you a PM.

...16 is an awful age (at least it was for me too), hope things look up for him soon.


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22 Aug 2007, 4:54 pm

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I hate to tell you this, but they probably actually are demons. The only other explanation is hallucinations, but, given that your son loves Satan, and that demons are actually real, he is likely being given some kind of demonic visions. Whether they are true or false visions, your son is in a very bad and dangerous place, and needs to get help from a local pastor or Christian psychologist. And if he loves Satan, that is his number-one trouble sign right now. He badly needs to change his mind. He is on a sure course for distruction.


If you think the demons are real perhaps you need professional help as much as the kid does


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22 Aug 2007, 7:39 pm

joshsmom4 wrote:
I am not sure this is the place to bring up this topic, but here goes. My 16 yo aspie son is telling me he sees entities, energies,or beings all around all of us everyday. Now I don't want to dispute this (I don't know what's out there, do you?), but it is very disconcerting to find that he believes these are demons and that he prefers Satan. I am afraid for him and don't know if his brain is processing on a different level and he can see the energy that is exerted by everyday occurances (movement, feelings, etc.) or if he is having sensory hallucinations.

Either way, how do I get through to him that life at 16 is terrible and that it does get better. That he needs to open his mind and look at all the possibilities.

Any help, suggestions or opinions would be greatly appreciated.


first of all, ignore ragtime and the stupid religious debate. they don't understand that you're looking for help and don't care about their insights in to what you should be teaching your son.

second, you can't see energies. no one can, no matter what the wiring of the brain. if his eyes are messed up or someway different, that's something else. but if his sight is normal, he's either playing pretend or hallucinating.


third, take your son to a doctor (physician, not optometrist) and if that doesn't help, a psychologist.


fourth, if everything else fails and you REALLY think he has such extra sensory abilities, contact the james randi institute and ask about their million dollar offer.



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22 Aug 2007, 8:44 pm

I thought some people on the autism spectrum (although they are probably very few) could see auras around people and objects.

....and quit the religious bashing, please. Whether we believe in the presence of demons or not, THEY BELIEVE IN US. That's the danger right there.


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22 Aug 2007, 8:45 pm

I thought some people on the autism spectrum (although they are probably very few) could see auras around people and objects.

....and quit the religious bashing, please. Whether we believe in the presence of demons or not, THEY BELIEVE IN US. That's the danger right there.


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22 Aug 2007, 8:49 pm

I have a friend that sees the same things. He's convinced they're interdimensional beings of some sort. He isn't crazy, and he's very intelligent. He had an uncle who saw them as well.

I've had several discussions with him about them, trying to figure out what they are. We can't be sure exactly what their nature is, but he's done a bunch of experiments with them to find out if they're intelligent (he's convinced they are) and if they actually exist, or if they're imaginary. He say's he's seen them move objects, and his ferrets have reacted to them, so he believes that they aren't imaginary.

I personally don't see them, but I believe my friend. He isn't the sort to tell stories, and he's a rational, scientific (nonreligious) thinker.

I'd be happy to put your son and my friend together, it would seem that your son might benefit from knowing someone who sees the same thing. Send me a PM.

As for the guy who says they must be demons, I wouldn't be so quick to judge. There are more things in the universe than we know about. It could be that your son and my friend have an ability to see some very real things that the rest of us have no ability to perceive.



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22 Aug 2007, 9:40 pm

MomofTom wrote:
I thought some people on the autism spectrum (although they are probably very few) could see auras around people and objects.

....and quit the religious bashing, please. Whether we believe in the presence of demons or not, THEY BELIEVE IN US. That's the danger right there.



nope. people can't see auras.


if that were legit, it'd be a huge (HUGE!!) discovery in science and something that would make front pages.


and i tried to keep my post neutral. i didn't say one way or the other...just that if her son is seeing things, then he needs real help...not some nutter telling her to tell him the fight the demons (if it's psychotic delusions or something like that, encouraging the hallucinations isn't healthy).



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22 Aug 2007, 10:29 pm

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and i tried to keep my post neutral.
:lol: You're really rather close-minded, you know. And I never said it "must be" demons, I said, given the evidence the OP has cited, it probably is. I know about the spirit world; you don't. So, go on, keep dismissing that of which you know nothing.

Honestly, the anti-Christian posters in this thread are so full of arrogance, they can't even suspend their bias for a thread about helping a troubled 16-year-old. Not surprised though -- antichristic speech means everything to them.

I think it's demons because I'm thoroughly educated about them.
You're absolutley sure it's not demons, based on your ignorance of demons. :roll:
(What's so damn funny about that is that they're influencing you RIGHT NOW! I wouldn't be laughing if you weren't so stubbornly beyond help.)


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23 Aug 2007, 2:13 am

Before going to the conclusion or thinking about supernatural beings or demons or anything like that, even if you sort of believe in that stuff, the first thing is to think of possible natural explanations instead of first thinking of the other stuff.

Given that the person who experience this is on the spectrum, very likely is a thing related to the brain more than a paranormal thing.

For a possible explanation I could think of Synesthesia perhaps, or something similar, I believe the best thing to do is to see a doctor and do some tests probably, to see if he has condition in his brain that is affecting the senses.


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