Student acceptance of violence as reaction to speech spikes

Page 1 of 3 [ 34 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Posts: 39,637
Location: Long Island, New York

14 Sep 2025, 11:31 pm

Over the past five years, it's gone up almost 80%

Quote:
The sickening assassination of Charlie Kirk at a campus speech this week has brought attention to worrying trends in political violence and the public’s stated support for it.

According to FIRE’s annual College Free Speech Rankings survey, in 2020, the national average showed about 1 in 5 students said it was ever acceptable to use violence to stop a speaker. That number has since risen to a disturbing 1 in 3 students.

While we have seen no evidence that Kirk’s shooter is a student, there’s no doubt that the 50% increase in this level of support for political violence among college students over the last 5 years has broad implications for the future of the country.

When we subdivide by party affiliation, we see a more complete story, but the trends are roughly the same.

Students who identify as “Strong Democrats” are one of the few groups that haven’t markedly increased in support for using violence to stop a speaker, but only because they started at a higher rate of acceptance. Once the second most accepting of violence, they are now the second least accepting, thanks to a rise in acceptance by other groups. In other words, they didn’t get better — everyone else got worse. But consistently the worst group of all remains those who identify as “Something else.”

The portions of “Strong Republicans” and “Republicans” who accept the use of violence to stop a speaker have more than tripled in four years. Even acceptance among “Independents” has more than doubled. To give you a sense of how bad things have gotten, the group that currently accepts violence the least, Republican-leaning independents, would have ranked alongside those who accepted it the most back in 2020.

Those students who are the furthest to the left have been the most accepting of violence for as long as we’ve asked the question. That includes very liberal and democratic socialist students. But a rising tide of acceptance of violence has raised all boats. Now, regardless of party or ideology, students across the board are more open to violence as a way to shut down a speaker. What was once an extreme and fringe opinion has become normalized.

Where do we go from here? Violence is antithetical to free speech, and political violence is wholly incompatible with — and toxic to — democracy. As FIRE Executive Vice President Nico Perrino put it, it is a cancer in our body politic. Hopefully, the horrific image of the assassination of a young father, in front of his family, during a campus speech will show students who say they support violence what that actually looks like in practice.

The great innovation of free speech is that we settle disputes with words and arguments, not violence. Too many have turned away from this principle. For the sake of all Americans, we must return to it.


_________________
“Self Acceptance is a process not a performance”
“You are autistic enough. And you always have been”

Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.


MisterAnthrope13
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

Joined: 2 Sep 2025
Gender: Male
Posts: 228

15 Sep 2025, 12:12 am

I refuse to feel sorry for a man who would have gladly applauded MY death at the hands of hate groups. As far as I'm concerned he and his family deserve no sympathy from their targets.

And frankly do you truly believe that the MAGA lunatics crying for liberal blood are going to care if we try to take the moral high ground and muster up sympathies and condolences for that piece of work?

I make no apologies for saying that. The only thing I'm truly sad about in all this is the fact that this country has gotten this unstable.



Jakki
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2019
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,753
Location: Outter Quadrant

15 Sep 2025, 1:32 am

Am guessing that possibly Rump had not done what he has done .. Things could be different? So perhaps in alignment with his possible idol , That creating devisiveness between people , or devising means to further divide persons here . Would allow him to exercise untimate control and initiate Marshal law ,to ensure his continued control of his version of this country . As happened with a similiar dictator from WW2. Just ask anyone in government, who has tried to
exercise their right to "free speech" under the current administration.


_________________
Diagnosed hfa
Loves velcro,
Quote:
where ever you go ,there you are


cyberdora
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Jan 2025
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 3,158
Location: Australia

15 Sep 2025, 4:11 am

MisterAnthrope13 wrote:
I refuse to feel sorry for a man who would have gladly applauded MY death at the hands of hate groups. As far as I'm concerned he and his family deserve no sympathy from their targets.


to quote Kirk himself: Gun deaths are a necessary cost to allow Americans the freedom to carry arms. By his own logic, MAGAs shouldn't complain. He died by the very gun violence he defended as the “price” of liberty.



Jakki
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2019
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,753
Location: Outter Quadrant

15 Sep 2025, 4:21 am

^^ yes, indeed , but the Rump War on the Left has turned this almost unknown (by a large part of the population)
Evangelical fanatic Kirk . Now on the National medias Attention , already Heavily influenced by Rump Supporters. has become a Martyr for the Maga.


_________________
Diagnosed hfa
Loves velcro,
Quote:
where ever you go ,there you are


Hetzer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Mar 2025
Age: 19
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 613
Location: Entropy(7) Mines - Silesia, Poland

15 Sep 2025, 4:47 am

cyberdora wrote:
MisterAnthrope13 wrote:
I refuse to feel sorry for a man who would have gladly applauded MY death at the hands of hate groups. As far as I'm concerned he and his family deserve no sympathy from their targets.

to quote Kirk himself: Gun deaths are a necessary cost to allow Americans the freedom to carry arms. By his own logic, MAGAs shouldn't complain. He died by the very gun violence he defended as the “price” of liberty.

Ze taste of their own medicine...


_________________
All ze street lights, in ze city, broken bloodey years ago...
[ 76622.002137] brain0: detached
Emi aka Hetzer / Hellcat - https://szwajn.net/ -> ???


cyberdora
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Jan 2025
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 3,158
Location: Australia

15 Sep 2025, 4:58 am

Curious coincidence, here's another fascist who tried to spread fascism on college campuses only to be assassinated by another fascist.



Last edited by cyberdora on 15 Sep 2025, 6:26 am, edited 1 time in total.

MisterAnthrope13
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

Joined: 2 Sep 2025
Gender: Male
Posts: 228

15 Sep 2025, 6:18 am

cyberdora wrote:
MisterAnthrope13 wrote:
I refuse to feel sorry for a man who would have gladly applauded MY death at the hands of hate groups. As far as I'm concerned he and his family deserve no sympathy from their targets.


to quote Kirk himself: Gun deaths are a necessary cost to allow Americans the freedom to carry arms. By his own logic, MAGAs shouldn't complain. He died by the very gun violence he defended as the “price” of liberty.


Ironic, isn't it? :jester:



ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Posts: 39,637
Location: Long Island, New York

15 Sep 2025, 9:20 am

MisterAnthrope13 wrote:
I refuse to feel sorry for a man who would have gladly applauded MY death at the hands of hate groups. As far as I'm concerned he and his family deserve no sympathy from their targets.

And frankly do you truly believe that the MAGA lunatics crying for liberal blood are going to care if we try to take the moral high ground and muster up sympathies and condolences for that piece of work?

I make no apologies for saying that. The only thing I'm truly sad about in all this is the fact that this country has gotten this unstable.

One can harbor no symphony for Kirk and even believe he deserved to die and at the same time be against assassinating him precisely because it made a bad situation worse and put more progressive lives in danger. IMHO that is both practical politics and the moral thing to do. MAGA lunatics won’t care but images on social media of people celebrating his murder are making the progressives look like lunatics to the swing voters who decide elections.


_________________
“Self Acceptance is a process not a performance”
“You are autistic enough. And you always have been”

Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.


Last edited by ASPartOfMe on 15 Sep 2025, 10:54 am, edited 1 time in total.

MisterAnthrope13
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

Joined: 2 Sep 2025
Gender: Male
Posts: 228

15 Sep 2025, 9:45 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
MisterAnthrope13 wrote:
I refuse to feel sorry for a man who would have gladly applauded MY death at the hands of hate groups. As far as I'm concerned he and his family deserve no sympathy from their targets.

And frankly do you truly believe that the MAGA lunatics crying for liberal blood are going to care if we try to take the moral high ground and muster up sympathies and condolences for that piece of work?

I make no apologies for saying that. The only thing I'm truly sad about in all this is the fact that this country has gotten this unstable.

One can harbor no symphony for Kirk and even believe he deserved to die and at the same time be against assassinating him precisely because it made a bad situation worse and put more progressive lives in danger. IMHO that is both practical politics and the moral thing to do. MAGA lunatics won’t care but images on social media of people celebrating his murder are making the progressives look like lunatics to the swing voters who decide elections.


Believe me I DO get all that, but there's a fine line between doing the practical and moral thing and refusing to stand up to the MAGA BS. That's also part of the reason why the Democrats are losing to Trump, because they refuse to fight as dirty as the MAGAs are fighting.

I'm not calling for violence and war but if the Democrats want to be taken seriously by voters they need to beat Trump at his own game and quit being so nice about it.



ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Posts: 39,637
Location: Long Island, New York

15 Sep 2025, 2:48 pm

MisterAnthrope13 wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
MisterAnthrope13 wrote:
I refuse to feel sorry for a man who would have gladly applauded MY death at the hands of hate groups. As far as I'm concerned he and his family deserve no sympathy from their targets.

And frankly do you truly believe that the MAGA lunatics crying for liberal blood are going to care if we try to take the moral high ground and muster up sympathies and condolences for that piece of work?

I make no apologies for saying that. The only thing I'm truly sad about in all this is the fact that this country has gotten this unstable.

One can harbor no symphony for Kirk and even believe he deserved to die and at the same time be against assassinating him precisely because it made a bad situation worse and put more progressive lives in danger. IMHO that is both practical politics and the moral thing to do. MAGA lunatics won’t care but images on social media of people celebrating his murder are making the progressives look like lunatics to the swing voters who decide elections.


Believe me I DO get all that, but there's a fine line between doing the practical and moral thing and refusing to stand up to the MAGA BS. That's also part of the reason why the Democrats are losing to Trump, because they refuse to fight as dirty as the MAGAs are fighting.

I'm not calling for violence and war but if the Democrats want to be taken seriously by voters they need to beat Trump at his own game and quit being so nice about it.


Gavin Newsom's strategy is to troll Trump. He is pretty good at it.


_________________
“Self Acceptance is a process not a performance”
“You are autistic enough. And you always have been”

Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.


MisterAnthrope13
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

Joined: 2 Sep 2025
Gender: Male
Posts: 228

15 Sep 2025, 3:45 pm

I don't really care much for Gavin Newsom but at least he's trying to beat Trump at his own game so kudos to him. :)



Jakki
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2019
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,753
Location: Outter Quadrant

15 Sep 2025, 4:01 pm

maybe this violence stuff is a product of violent video game exposure, or just. the wrong shooter at the WRONG place one guy ( so called assassin ) gets a Ear, not exactly getting the job done ? While the other gets a terminal neck shot accomplishing ,what he intended,..just Silly coincidences.


_________________
Diagnosed hfa
Loves velcro,
Quote:
where ever you go ,there you are


MisterAnthrope13
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

Joined: 2 Sep 2025
Gender: Male
Posts: 228

15 Sep 2025, 4:13 pm

I never blame video games because humans have been violent since the dawn of humanity.

People seem to forget that despite how crazy the world seems today for most of our shared history our favorite pastimes included things like sacking entire cities during war and burning fellow human beings at the stake for heresy and witchcraft as the crowds gathered and cheered.

If anything video games gave us a way to indulge in our inherent desires for violence without actually BEING violent. They subdued our worst human impulses.

Any time the video games are blamed for violence by politicians it's always just a red herring. :jester:



Mona Pereth
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Sep 2018
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,050
Location: New York City (Queens)

15 Sep 2025, 10:14 pm

MisterAnthrope13 wrote:
I never blame video games because humans have been violent since the dawn of humanity.

People seem to forget that despite how crazy the world seems today for most of our shared history our favorite pastimes included things like sacking entire cities during war and burning fellow human beings at the stake for heresy and witchcraft as the crowds gathered and cheered.

If anything video games gave us a way to indulge in our inherent desires for violence without actually BEING violent. They subdued our worst human impulses.

Any time the video games are blamed for violence by politicians it's always just a red herring. :jester:

Not sure I would credit video games with having been the thing that "subdued our worst human impulses," but I agree that they should not be seen as a primary CAUSE of violence. Blaming video games stinks of moral panic.


_________________
- Autistic in NYC - Resources and new ideas for the autistic adult community in the New York City metro area.
- Autistic peer-led groups (via text-based chat, currently) led or facilitated by members of the Autistic Peer Leadership Group.


MisterAnthrope13
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

Joined: 2 Sep 2025
Gender: Male
Posts: 228

15 Sep 2025, 10:24 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
MisterAnthrope13 wrote:
I never blame video games because humans have been violent since the dawn of humanity.

People seem to forget that despite how crazy the world seems today for most of our shared history our favorite pastimes included things like sacking entire cities during war and burning fellow human beings at the stake for heresy and witchcraft as the crowds gathered and cheered.

If anything video games gave us a way to indulge in our inherent desires for violence without actually BEING violent. They subdued our worst human impulses.

Any time the video games are blamed for violence by politicians it's always just a red herring. :jester:

Not sure I would credit video games with having been the thing that "subdued our worst human impulses," but I agree that they should not be seen as a primary CAUSE of violence. Blaming video games stinks of moral panic.


Frankly I think a combination of video games, movies, TV shows, sports, modern music, junk food, porn, etc were all instrumental in keeping the masses from looking for violent ways to overthrow civilization: others or their own.

When people get too comfortable with their bread & circuses they see no reason to revolt, unless that gets taken away from them.

Keeping folks fat and lazy is a great way to prevent violent overthrow of authority. Just my opinion. :wink: