The South screwed the US over

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19 Oct 2025, 12:05 pm

The Southern states seceded to preserve slavery. The consequence was so bloody that now the Constitution no longer protects states' rights. If a President wants to federalize a state's National Guard, the governor of that state has to go along. I don't think this would be the case if the South hadn't ruined things in the name of slavery back in the day.

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19 Oct 2025, 12:47 pm

I am kind of surprised that its not just us Conservatives and Republicans and Libertarians who care about states' rights now.

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19 Oct 2025, 2:21 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:

I am kind of surprised that its not just us Conservatives and Republicans and Libertarians who care about states' rights now.

Under Trump, it is clear that Republicans generally don't support states rights at all. Instead, they want federal control over our entire lives.

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19 Oct 2025, 2:35 pm

kokopelli wrote:

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:

I am kind of surprised that its not just us Conservatives and Republicans and Libertarians who care about states' rights now.

Under Trump, it is clear that Republicans generally don't support states rights at all. Instead, they want federal control over our entire lives.

Well there are some Republicans like myself who believe in states' rights. Traditionally it was the Conservative Democrats and Republicans who cared about states' rights. However states' rights was first a issue that Democrats cared about but they were more conservative back then. I want the federal government to be as weak as possible. I have never wanted federal control over every part of my life but I cant speak for other Republicans.

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19 Oct 2025, 3:25 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:

kokopelli wrote:

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:

I am kind of surprised that its not just us Conservatives and Republicans and Libertarians who care about states' rights now.

Under Trump, it is clear that Republicans generally don't support states rights at all. Instead, they want federal control over our entire lives.

I think the last time state's rights became a "conservative" issue was when Dixiecrat governors refused to recognize the authority of the Brown vs. Board of Education decision or the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Basic rights based on sound Constitutional jurisprudence. Enjoyed by all Americans.

Basically Southern governors.

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19 Oct 2025, 3:43 pm

Should have never welcomed the Southern states into the union. But if we had to, we should have punished them a lot more after the Civil War.

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19 Oct 2025, 4:00 pm

Harmonie wrote:

Should have never welcomed the Southern states into the union. But if we had to, we should have punished them a lot more after the Civil War.

Abraham Lincoln was going to take it easy on the South after the war but then John Wilkes Booth murdered him. This caused the Radical Republicans to try to really punish the South during Reconstruction or at least thats what I learned in 8th Grade history.

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19 Oct 2025, 4:09 pm

Well MaxE, I would not say that integration was the last time there was a conservative hot button issue for the states rights crowd. The Gun debate is another big one involving states rights.

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19 Oct 2025, 4:28 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:

Well MaxE, I would not say that integration was the last time there was a conservative hot button issue for the states rights crowd. The Gun debate is another big one involving states rights.

The 2nd amendment protects gun rights but it's a thorny issue.

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19 Oct 2025, 4:33 pm

MaxE wrote:

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:

Well MaxE, I would not say that integration was the last time there was a conservative hot button issue for the states rights crowd. The Gun debate is another big one involving states rights.

The 2nd amendment protects gun rights but it's a thorny issue.

Good point.

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19 Oct 2025, 9:23 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:

kokopelli wrote:

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:

I am kind of surprised that its not just us Conservatives and Republicans and Libertarians who care about states' rights now.

Under Trump, it is clear that Republicans generally don't support states rights at all. Instead, they want federal control over our entire lives.

That's why I included the word "generally".

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20 Oct 2025, 3:15 am

kokopelli wrote:

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I have never wanted federal control over every part of my life but I cant speak for other Republicans.

That's why I included the word "generally".

I should point out that Trump, who has never been the least bit Conservative, has turned the Republican Party away from Conservatism and toward Trump's brand of Populism. It no longer stands for what it stood for a couple of decades ago.

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20 Oct 2025, 5:15 pm

I think the Republican Party is on hiatus, and what the chief RINO (changed parties six times), has now is the Maga Party, that inherited the Republican letterhead.

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31 Oct 2025, 6:32 pm

Funny, being a southerner I would think that the North screwed the South over in retaliation for slavery and treason. Isn't that why Sherman burned half of Georgia down and our economy was sacked?

Are the South the sore losers or are the North really a bunch of sore winners who need a constant deflection from their own sh***y and bigoted all-American behavior?

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04 Nov 2025, 2:02 am

S0n0fAWitch13 wrote:

The south didn't need to secede. They brought the wrath of the Union on themselves. The returning southern states did everything they could to oppose reconstruction, which included expanding civil rights to recently freed slaves, which again brought down the wrath of the federal government.
As for the north wrecking the south's economy - - it was the south that shunned industrialization in favor of an outdated, oligarchical agrarian system ruled by wealthy plantation owners who had actually started the war. The south was never able to compete with the north with such an economic system, let alone allow poor southerners to rise to something better. Rather, poor southern whites had been encouraged to take their resentment out on the freed blacks by the agrarian elite.

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04 Nov 2025, 2:11 am

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:

Harmonie wrote:

Should have never welcomed the Southern states into the union. But if we had to, we should have punished them a lot more after the Civil War.

A great deal of the "punishment" by the north had more to do with the south's violent rejection of reconstruction, which had included granting civil rights to freed slaves. Not every white southerner was a klansman, of course, as can be seen with supporters of reconstruction in the south like Newton Knight, a Confederate army deserter who had formed a Pro-Union guerilla force made up of other Confederate deserters and escaped slaves.

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