Question: Why does DJT hate Barack Obama so much?

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22 Oct 2025, 11:57 am

It occurs to me that Trump only got seriously into politics with the rise of Barack Obama, like with the whole Birther thing.

Did something happen to cause Trump to hate him? Clinton's politics were similar, but I don't believe the same hate existed.


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22 Oct 2025, 3:24 pm

Trump has been a Republican and a Democrat.

He can't seem to make up his mind.



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22 Oct 2025, 7:29 pm

MAGAs hate Obama for one reason and one reason only:

He's Black.


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22 Oct 2025, 8:50 pm

1. He's not white.
2. He made health care affordable for people Trump wants to die.
3. Obama doesn't have to pay or threaten people to like him.
4. Zero indictments. Zero impeachments.
5. His daughters aren't afraid of him.
6. He's never been friends with Epstein.
7. Did I mention he's not white?


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23 Oct 2025, 5:49 am

I really don't think Trump hates non-white people on principle. I suspect he tolerates racist behavior on the part of his trusted colleagues.

Otherwise, I think his animosity must be personal. Like he feels that Obama did him a disservice of some sort.


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23 Oct 2025, 10:14 am

Barack Obama is good looking, tall and slim, highly intelligent, with a lot of charisma and eloquent. In a verbal debate he would knock Trump out of the ring without breaking a sweat. Add to that that he is black.


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23 Oct 2025, 10:41 am

MaxE wrote:
It occurs to me that Trump only got seriously into politics with the rise of Barack Obama, like with the whole Birther thing.

Did something happen to cause Trump to hate him? Clinton's politics were similar, but I don't believe the same hate existed.

At the time, there was legitimate questions regarding his birth. I don't remember all the details at this point, so I can't give you specifics. I remember something to do with him only releasing a modified or updated version, again, I don't remember. Race had nothing to do with it. He could have been as white as Jim Gaffigan and the same questions would be there.

The damage Obama did to this country is crazy so it's right for Trump to think negatively of him.



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23 Oct 2025, 10:54 am


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23 Oct 2025, 11:01 am

BillyTree wrote:
Barack Obama is good looking, tall and slim, highly intelligent, with a lot of charisma and eloquent. In a verbal debate he would knock Trump out of the ring without breaking a sweat. Add to that that he is black.


I am having a hard time finding a photo of Trump at age 47, the age at which Obama first ran for the US Presidency. This is him at age 39. I don't think people's appearance typically changes that much during their 40s:

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I would say that when younger, he certainly met basic criteria for masculine appearance, at least for a white male. Some women might actually prefer his looks over those of Obama at that age, anyway comparing the appearance or attractiveness of these 2 politicians isn't a very fruitful line of reasoning imo.

I also dispute how soundly a 47-year-old Obama would trounce a hypothetical 47-year-old Trump in a debate. Trump is sharper than people give him credit for, even at his current age. But he has spoken publicly for a long time, although his style is more direct and flow of consciousness, but then on the other hand Obama tends to hesitate a lot when he speaks in an apparent attempt to avoid misspeaking whereas Trump probably doesn't worry about such things. So I really don't know how such a debate might play out. Fact is that those who don't think Trump an eloquent speaker probably just don't like hearing what he has to say, plus Trump isn't consciously thinking about how eloquent he sounds, he just says what comes to mind. Doesn't make him a dullard.

I don't think race plays much of a role in this, except that Trump is willing to play off other peoples' racism if it serves his aims. As I said before, I don't think he himself is a racist but is willing to resort to an appeal to racism for pragmatic reasons.

Bottom line is I don't think Trump hates Obama simply out of jealousy which is what people seem to be saying. There must be something truly personal about this.


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23 Oct 2025, 11:13 am

Let me reiterate that the inspiration for this thread is my impression that what inspired Trump to enter politics in a serious vein was animosity towards Obama. I can't believe it's just professional jealousy, that simply doesn't seem a sufficient motivation.

Although it could be that when he decided he wanted to be President, he decided that targeting Obama would be a productive approach, even though he never had to run against Obama one-on-one.

BTW I has not been my intention to act as an apologist for Trump. I just think that when criticizing him, people should avoid criticisms such as claims of dementia that seem foolish to those who actually do admire Trump and are happy to defend him.


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23 Oct 2025, 11:51 am

MaxE wrote:
I just think that when criticizing him, people should avoid criticisms such as claims of dementia that seem foolish to those who actually do admire Trump and are happy to defend him.

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Unlike the strong circumstantial case that Biden has dementia the circumstantial case that Trump has dementia is pretty weak. With so many illiberal things Trump has done this term focusing on his possible dementia is a misplaced priority.

What happened with Biden is why we are having this discussion at all. Prior to this speculating about a politicians possible dementia was verboten in mainstream political discourse. One good thing to come out of the Biden mess is that going forward it is not going to be acceptable for a politician especially a President to be non compos mentis. The downside is that it has brought all sorts of ageism a still acceptable prejudice more out in the open.


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23 Oct 2025, 12:53 pm

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Unlike the strong circumstantial case that Biden has dementia the circumstantial case that Trump has dementia is pretty weak. With so many illiberal things Trump has done this term focusing on his possible dementia is a misplaced priority.

What happened with Biden is why we are having this discussion at all. Prior to this speculating about a politicians possible dementia was verboten in mainstream political discourse. One good thing to come out of the Biden mess is that going forward it is not going to be acceptable for a politician especially a President to be non compos mentis. The downside is that it has brought all sorts of ageism a still acceptable prejudice more out in the open.


People can remain mentality sharp to a very advanced age indeed, however as somebody who is also aging, I question the wisdom of giving an elderly person a responsibility such as that of being CIC. One simply lacks the energy. I certainly couldn't take that job on, except maybe by delegating a huge chunk of the work. Having said that, I will add that Trump does seem able give a good accounting of himself in that regard, traveling around the world and appearing in public dressed impeccably and speaking to the public without appearing to run out of energy or becoming confused. I don't say this because I support his agenda, but because that is what I believe I have observed. Although I don't spend a lot of time watching him.


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23 Oct 2025, 1:25 pm

If you think you already know the answear it seems odd to throw out a question.


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23 Oct 2025, 1:37 pm

BillyTree wrote:
If you think you already know the answear it seems odd to throw out a question.

I wouldn't know why you think I should know the answer. However the video ASPOME posted gives a partial answer. i.e. Obama mercilessly ridiculed Trump during that WH Correspondents' Dinner so Trump chose to get his revenge.

However, it doesn't explain how Trump got his knickers in such a twist over where Obama might have been born, nor do I know what reason Trump had to believe that Obama was not a birthright citizen, like where would he have been born if not where it says on his birth certificate? At that stage one could argue that Trump didn't actually hate Obama, but I have to ask why did he care? Although as I said, he may have just seen that as an issue that would take him to the WH, but then he didn't seriously decide to go for the Presidency before that roast, so it seems rather a chicken-or-egg situation.


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23 Oct 2025, 1:38 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

This is a good partial explanation, but it doesn't quite explain the whole birther thing or why he cared about that? That seriously predated the events shown in the video.


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23 Oct 2025, 6:04 pm

Jealousy.