Tax the Amish and Mennonites
Amish and Mennonites are partially exempt from Social Security and Medicare taxes due to their religious belief that the religion should provide for their own when they are needy. I dont think it fair that self-employed Amish and Mennonites are exempt when my parents are not.
Also this has allowed their businesses to outcompete Non-Amish and Non-Mennonite Businesses and undercut them. I think we need to level the playing field and tax the these Anabaptist groups to the extent that the typical American is. I dont think its fair that they get to be partially exempt. They need to be legally forced into paying taxes for Social Security and Medicare like we are.
Interesting. I can't answer the poll because I don't know enough about US taxes. But... if some Amish or Mennonite groups are opting out of services such as Social security or Medicare, then, I think that it makes sense if they are exempt from paying into them?
It might feel unfair.. but if they aren't going to use the service, then it makes sense they might be able to be exempt or partially exempt... so from that point, I see why they have it. Though by paying taxes they could help their wider community. But some Amish and older order Mennonite communities can be very restrictive and not interact much outside their communities.
Of course there are lots of different Mennonites and many are modern and pay taxes but that's a separate point (I come by this knowledge more on a personal level of people I know)
As to how that affects competition in business, I can see this seems personal for you, there must be a specific business in your town that is exempt from taxes and it looks unfair.
It's always possible that sometimes people will exploit tax laws for their own gain. Which isn't good of course.
But there are also reasons for exemptions that make sense to me, but I'm outside of the US and not an expert in US taxes at all.
On second thought, I selected "maybe" in the poll because that's close enough to what I think, because I think there's always room for 'maybe'.
In my opinion, people of ALL religions should pay the same taxes as the irreligious, and that ALL religious institutions should be taxed as much as any other business.
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Hell, if you taxed all the property the Catholic Church owns maybe the USA could actually balance the budget. These churches make out like bandits not having to pay taxes.
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Churches are not totally tax-free in America because they have to pay Unrelated Business Income Taxes, Payroll taxes and in some cases property taxes. They might be other taxes too.
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Taxing the Catholic Church would not make much of a difference in balancing the budget. The Catholic Church is not even worth 300 Billion in America and taxing just a small percentage of that would not make a difference.What do you think of the Amish and Mennonite Social Security loopholes?
In the interest of full disclosure , I live in Amish country , and my father drives a van for them . I think that given that they provide mutual aid for one another , paid out of their own community chest , it is not unfair for them to be exempt , under the current laws . Here is what I found out about their situation .
The Supreme Court has ruled that Amish who are self employed do not have to pay Social Security tax, as it is a form of insurance and as such conflicts with their religious beliefs. Amish who are employed by non-Amish employers. however, do pay this tax. Amish pay property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes, etc., as well. https://www.ohiosamishcountry.com/articles/amish-faqs
The Amish – as a general rule – don’t take government subsidies like unemployment (a totally different topic than taxes, but the two get lumped together often). During the administration of George W. Bush when most Americans received government stimulus checks an Old Order Mennonite bishop told me that he knew people in his church who either tore them up or sent them back to Washington. Even the Amish that do pay into Social Security via taxes rarely collect. So they are doing more than their fair share! https://www.amish365.com/the-amish-and-taxes/
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Members of certain religious groups (including the Amish and Mennonites) may be exempt from paying Social Security taxes. To become exempt, they must:
Waive their rights to all benefits under the Social Security Act, including hospital insurance benefits; and
Meet the following requirements:
Be a member of a recognized religious sect conscientiously opposed to accepting benefits under a private plan or system that makes payments in the event of death, disability or retirement, or which makes payments towards the costs of or provides for medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by Social Security);
Be a member of a religious sect that makes a reasonable provision of food, shelter and medical care for its dependent members and has done so continuously since December 31, 1950; and
Have never received or been entitled to any benefits payable under Social Security programs.
To request an exemption from Social Security taxes, get Form 4029—Application for Exemption From Social Security and Medicare Taxes and Waiver of Benefits from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Then, file the form with the Social Security Administration (address is on the form).
IRS will either approve or disapprove the application after Social Security determines whether the applicant's religious sect meets the requirements for exemption. https://www.ssa.gov/faqs/en/questions/KA-02411.html
The Supreme Court has ruled that Amish who are self employed do not have to pay Social Security tax, as it is a form of insurance and as such conflicts with their religious beliefs. Amish who are employed by non-Amish employers. however, do pay this tax. Amish pay property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes, etc., as well. https://www.ohiosamishcountry.com/articles/amish-faqs
The Amish – as a general rule – don’t take government subsidies like unemployment (a totally different topic than taxes, but the two get lumped together often). During the administration of George W. Bush when most Americans received government stimulus checks an Old Order Mennonite bishop told me that he knew people in his church who either tore them up or sent them back to Washington. Even the Amish that do pay into Social Security via taxes rarely collect. So they are doing more than their fair share! https://www.amish365.com/the-amish-and-taxes/
October 7, 2022 · En español · Share
Members of certain religious groups (including the Amish and Mennonites) may be exempt from paying Social Security taxes. To become exempt, they must:
Waive their rights to all benefits under the Social Security Act, including hospital insurance benefits; and
Meet the following requirements:
Be a member of a recognized religious sect conscientiously opposed to accepting benefits under a private plan or system that makes payments in the event of death, disability or retirement, or which makes payments towards the costs of or provides for medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by Social Security);
Be a member of a religious sect that makes a reasonable provision of food, shelter and medical care for its dependent members and has done so continuously since December 31, 1950; and
Have never received or been entitled to any benefits payable under Social Security programs.
To request an exemption from Social Security taxes, get Form 4029—Application for Exemption From Social Security and Medicare Taxes and Waiver of Benefits from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Then, file the form with the Social Security Administration (address is on the form).
IRS will either approve or disapprove the application after Social Security determines whether the applicant's religious sect meets the requirements for exemption. https://www.ssa.gov/faqs/en/questions/KA-02411.html
I have similar mutual aid beliefs as the Amish...do you think I should be able to opt out because of the mutual aid part of my religion. I just think that I should be able to opt out if the Amish can.Amish pay less than their fair share. I think we should take away their exemption.
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