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15 May 2008, 1:19 pm

That man, you may look at him and think he is a homeless cooky whino, and then dismiss everything he has to say..... But that only proves right my point that the average person can listen to a celebrity or an authority figure and fall over their every word like gospel, while a homeless nomad could speak ultimate truths and it would go in one ear and out the other...
Basically what he was saying is what i've been theorizing for a little while now (but did not know how to articulate my conversation that well).... Pure love, humbleness, freedom. Thought is consciousness, consciousness means using more of our brains.....
Most people **believe** they are free, when in fact all thier beliefs and ideas were marketed to them, to cateogrize them, make them predictable.. And in so doing, those people (the majority) give up their self identity. There is only one of any individual person, and identity politics are destroying personalization and personal identity (much as it did in the old soviet system, or any dictatorship). Even "underground" is monitored and controlled just like mainstream (though perhaps to a smaller degree, an underground artist still has more freedom of expression than a mainstream artist, but it's still all controlled from the top, which is why underground artists can't get but so big anymore unless they sell out). You see that happening here now. Because the same international corporations who run russia, run america, the same ones who gave us communism, gave us capitalism, and gave us all our religions (including New Age and even mainstream science), these international corporations that are ran by the same "elite" families who have controlled EVERYTHING throughout history behind the curtains. In other words, this world is a sheep pen.
The path lies in realizing oneself, beginning by admitting we know nothing, and then seeking the truth. Love, unconditional love and compassion, and freedom. But freedom means wanting to know what is true, beyond personal biases, which is why one must start by admitting they know nothing.



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15 May 2008, 1:22 pm

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That man, you may look at him and think he is a homeless cooky whino, and then dismiss everything he has to say..... But that only proves right my point that the average person can listen to a celebrity or an authority figure and fall over their every word like gospel, while a homeless nomad could speak ultimate truths and it would go in one ear and out the other...


Jesus was a homeless nomad, right?

Well, we only know who He is because people listened to Him.

He didn't appear as a celebrity, but rather as a regular man.


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15 May 2008, 1:36 pm

Well, religion too is an establishment in this material world, and must be questioned. There is no solid proof Jesus even existed, he may have, he may not have. But I find that to be insignificant in the big picture.
Religion ties the mind down, tie, rebind, retie, as the freemasons say. All religion is a business plan. It's just written in esoteric speak. They told us what was gonna happen before it even happened. WWs 1 and 2, halucaust, slavery, inquisitions, etc. all of it. And this is why prophecies are coming true, because it was planned by those at the top. And this is why Nostradamus made all those "prophecies", not because he was able to see the future, but because he was Illuminati and he knew the game plan.
The old testament is a pure eugenics expirement, in fact this is a eugenics system here on earth, be it a "capitalist" nation or a "communist" nation, at the very top it's the same people who controll all nations and governments, through international corporations.

For what it's worth, there are a few slight points where I disagreed with the man in the video, because I don't believe people can just say "I wanna leave this realm" and snap their fingers and end up in a different realm. Maybe if they died they'd go to another realm or a dimension....



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15 May 2008, 1:49 pm

Think about this; such a supposedly "humble" god that religious people want to believe in, would not require mere humans to worship it, right? Bowing or worshipping means to make oneself subject, which is slavery. Further, it's an egotistical expectation to come from such a supposedly "humble" being.
But rather they consciously know it or not, religious people (of any faith) aren't so much worhshipping a god as they are worshipping authority. Those same authorities gave us all our religions. And most people follow it due to wanting to be part of the status quo, to fit in (which means sacrificing one's identity as an individual, because an individual thinks for themselves). Our societies WORSHIP authority and status, and materialism, and you can see that even outside of religion.



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15 May 2008, 3:10 pm

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Well, religion too is an establishment in this material world, and must be questioned. There is no solid proof Jesus even existed, he may have, he may not have.


Well, being the most enduringly well-known human being in the history of the world,
it seems very likely that He existed!


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15 May 2008, 3:33 pm

Mickey Mouse is also well known around the world. Who knows what people may believe about him in two thousand years?



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15 May 2008, 3:47 pm

snake321 wrote:
The path lies in realizing oneself, beginning by admitting we know nothing, and then seeking the truth. Love, unconditional love and compassion, and freedom. But freedom means wanting to know what is true, beyond personal biases, which is why one must start by admitting they know nothing.

It makes sense and I agree, there is one issue however, "seeking the truth", how exactly? I mean admiting we know nothing is true :P, a little problem is that the term "seeking the truth" might be biased many or perhaps most of the times, and it kinda sounds like a more personal issue to me, and that being interpreted in different ways.

But then, I believe that seeking what is most accurate and most factual, may be better terms, following the concept that there is no absolute truth.


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15 May 2008, 4:09 pm

Ragtime wrote:
snake321 wrote:
That man, you may look at him and think he is a homeless cooky whino, and then dismiss everything he has to say..... But that only proves right my point that the average person can listen to a celebrity or an authority figure and fall over their every word like gospel, while a homeless nomad could speak ultimate truths and it would go in one ear and out the other...


Jesus was a homeless nomad, right?

Well, we only know who He is because people listened to Him.

He didn't appear as a celebrity, but rather as a regular man.


remember that he was persecuted and ridiculed in his own time. and he actually is presented as a celebrity of sorts much of the time. the irony in the south park character is not lost.


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