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24 Feb 2009, 11:37 am

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... CcxKWuEE2g

It hardly seems dignified, but the US government's only other choice would be to raise taxes. :roll:

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China to heed Clinton's call on buying US bonds: economists

SHANGHAI (AFP) — China has little choice but to follow Hillary Clinton's call and continue buying US Treasuries, as reversing course would lead to the value of its investments plunging, economists said Monday.

While in Beijing on her first overseas trip as US secretary of state, Clinton urged China on Sunday to keep buying US debt, saying it would help jumpstart the flagging US economy and stimulate demand for Chinese exports.

In fact, China has to keep investing in the United States if it wants to protect the value of its trillions in dollar holdings, said Lu Feng, an economist at Peking University's China Center for Economic Research.

"China is sitting on huge piles of foreign exchange and it will increase its holdings of US Treasuries," Lu said. "Objectively speaking, helping the US economy is good for both China and the US."

China overtook Japan last year as the United States' biggest foreign creditor, and had 696.2 billion dollars of Treasury Bills in December, according to the latest official data from Washington.

Its world-largest foreign exchange reserves, which stood at 1.95 trillion dollars as of the end of December, also mean it is the world's biggest foreign holder of the US currency.

Clinton sought to highlight the importance of the ever-building inter-dependency between the world's biggest and third biggest economies.

"By continuing to support American Treasury instruments the Chinese are recognising our interconnection. We are truly going to rise or fall together," Clinton said at the US embassy in Beijing on the weekend.

Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi also indicated on Saturday after talks with Clinton that China would not drastically change its US Treasury policies.

However, the countries' interconnectedness has attracted criticism within China, particularly as the global economic crisis slowed the Asian giant's remarkable growth and its high profile US investments showed dismal returns.

Critics have charged that, as a developing country, China should be investing its cash at home instead of subsidising the world's richest country, or else diversifying into other foreign assets.

China's economic planners also understand the dilemma of investing so heavily in US debt.

"If it ceased to buy US treasuries, the value of existing holdings of dollar-denominated assets would drop sharply," said Su Chang, Beijing-based economist with CEBM Group, a consulting firm.

"(But) if China continues to buy them, it needs to worry about the possible depreciation of the dollar in future."

Brad Setser, an economist with the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations, calculated that China provided close to 500 billion dollars in financing to the United States last year -- too much, he argued.

"China now has more exposure to the US than is in its long-run interest," Setser wrote on Monday. Economists argue China risks being trapped as the value of its US assets would fall if it reversed course.

"I also believe the US relies far more on a single government for financing than is in its long-run interest."

Both countries, he said, should have an interest in China gradually providing less ongoing financing to the United States.



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24 Feb 2009, 1:19 pm

pandabear wrote:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hjEfXYmS4p-kY3mMQ0CcxKWuEE2g

It hardly seems dignified, but the US government's only other choice would be to raise taxes. :roll:


Ahhh ... ummmm .... Isn't the normal way if a government want to spend more money to raise taxes? How do think the German government paid for the unification (overall above €1'500 bio.)? Partly by raising the debit, but mostly via a raise in income tax and social security contribution!



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24 Feb 2009, 10:54 pm

Well, Ronald Reagan proved that governments can operate by running huge deficits, and letting future generations wonder about the consequences.

But, it is an interesting situation right now--the Chinese keep lending us money, so that we can buy their products, and all that they have to show for it is massive wads of US dollars, with which they can do nothing but lend to our government.

The Chinese are supposed to be naughty communists, and what they did to Tibet was, well, probably a lot less than what we did to our American Indians, but anyway, if the Chinese decided not to lend our government any more money, then the game would be over.



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25 Feb 2009, 12:42 am

pandabear wrote:
Well, Ronald Reagan proved that governments can operate by running huge deficits, and letting future generations wonder about the consequences.

But, it is an interesting situation right now--the Chinese keep lending us money, so that we can buy their products, and all that they have to show for it is massive wads of US dollars, with which they can do nothing but lend to our government.

The Chinese are supposed to be naughty communists, and what they did to Tibet was, well, probably a lot less than what we did to our American Indians, but anyway, if the Chinese decided not to lend our government any more money, then the game would be over.


That's the way it's going.



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25 Feb 2009, 9:18 am

We are developing a dependence on the Chinese. That is definitely a Chinese in our armor.

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25 Feb 2009, 9:51 am

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We are developing a dependence on the Chinese. That is definitely a Chinese in our armor.
ruveyhn


I bet if I google "if we go down, so does china"



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25 Feb 2009, 10:20 am

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ruveyn wrote:
We are developing a dependence on the Chinese. That is definitely a Chinese in our armor.
ruveyhn


I bet if I google "if we go down, so does china"


True and not true - A close dependency between countries is generally a god issue, because it stabilizes international relations on the long term.

But: The current situation that China exports and is paid with money created out of the air and which is China storing is hardly sustainable.



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25 Feb 2009, 12:08 pm

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We are developing a dependence on the Chinese. That is definitely a Chinese in our armor.

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That's an ironic way to put it but the Chinese in the armor is not the Chinese but the maniac donation of industry to the Chinese who may suffer the loss of their main market as the USA sinks into its morass of stupidity and corruption but the Chinese will be left with a huge efficient industrial base and well trained scientists and devoted and skilled workers who can compete with anybody in the world as to quality and economics of production while the USA that has sold away its industrial base and has to maintain an expensive way of life will be left with a bunch of corrupt government manipulators and, like the Weimar Republic, wheel barrows full of worthless currency that nobody wants. The Chinese will find other markets while in the USA people will try to survive by serving each other with french fries and hamburgers.



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25 Feb 2009, 2:47 pm

Oh? And who will buy Chinese goods if not Americans? The Finns, perhaps?

Well, I suppose that anything, including driving an SUV full of worthless money to go and buy the Sunday newspaper, is preferable to raising taxes.



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25 Feb 2009, 9:31 pm

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Oh? And who will buy Chinese goods if not Americans? The Finns, perhaps?

Well, I suppose that anything, including driving an SUV full of worthless money to go and buy the Sunday newspaper, is preferable to raising taxes.


The USA is not the only country in the world with people who need things and can pay for them.



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26 Feb 2009, 9:44 am

Chinese in the armor! Chinese in the armor! Does no one here get the joke? What are you guys anyway, a bunch of autistics?

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26 Feb 2009, 10:07 am

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Chinese in the armor! Chinese in the armor! Does no one here get the joke? What are you guys anyway, a bunch of autistics?

ruveyn


My apologies. I'm usually better at language, but "Chinese" seemed racist so I subconsciously let it slip by.



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02 Mar 2009, 4:52 pm

Sand wrote:
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Chinese in the armor! Chinese in the armor! Does no one here get the joke? What are you guys anyway, a bunch of autistics?

ruveyn


My apologies. I'm usually better at language, but "Chinese" seemed racist so I subconsciously let it slip by.

You shouldn't apologize...it *IS* racist since his joke is a racist joke.

Which he should be ashamed of.



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03 Mar 2009, 4:59 am

And I am born to a Chinese mother (I am a yellow-skinned Singaporean)... This term can only be used as a self-derogative by Chinese at most, I suppose.



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03 Mar 2009, 9:55 am

[quote="tekd"
You shouldn't apologize...it *IS* racist since his joke is a racist joke.

Which he should be ashamed of.[/quote]

I never apologize. As Major Dundee (John Wayne) once said: Awwwhhh. Never apologize. It is a sign of weakness.

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04 Mar 2009, 4:29 am

It isn't... Saying the c-word is by itself a weakness.