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26 Feb 2009, 3:11 pm

I've never understood why Atheists get married other than it being the conventional thing to do, which is relgious thing, which totally contradicts with their Atheism. I asked my Mum, and the general message was in the event of things not working out, things are easier like money and such, which contradicts with the whole point of marriage!
So, I was just wondering if there's any Atheists who are married and why?(I'm not against the idea, I just think it seems a bit hypocritical[not trying to insult, just want to know why])
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26 Feb 2009, 3:18 pm

Tax and other Legal Purposes. Without a "Lawful" marriage cert one's partner is not accorded familial status for Medical & other purposes.

This is why there is such an argument in the US over "Gay Marriage" (why Gays want it).

The Religious aspects are wy Religious types don't. They are arguing from two totally different platforms so the conjunction is simply a mess.


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26 Feb 2009, 3:31 pm

Marriage carries certain civil and legal obligations and benefits that merely living together does not. Inheritance of money and property, for instance, usually passes to the closest living relative by default if there is no will. So does custody of any children.

Married couples also receive financial breaks with regards to insurance and taxes (but not Social Security, I'm told).

Finally, many Atheists seem to realize that having sexual relations with a third party is not "cheating" unless at least one of the people involved is married. Thus, many Atheists seem to go through the marriage cermony (civil or religious) to gain financial advantages, establish rights of inheritance and powers of attorney (who's gonna sign off on YOUR "Do Not Resuscitate" order?), and secure a little extra incentive for marital fidelity.

So you see, marriage is not a strictly "Religious" thing. If it were, then there would be no legal recognition of marital status in any way, shape, or form - just like baptism and communion, neither of which have any legal significance.


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26 Feb 2009, 3:32 pm

In my view, a marriage is nothing more than a binding contract in which you give away half your assets to someone who may or may not decide to honor their end of the agreement...

I think that most marriages today happen because of tax or insurance benefits.



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26 Feb 2009, 3:37 pm

jrknothead wrote:
In my view, a marriage is nothing more than a binding contract in which you give away half your assets to someone who may or may not decide to honor their end of the agreement...

Reminds me of a joke that goes something like, "Instead of getting married again, I'm just gonna find me a woman that I hate and give her a new house and half my paycheck for the next 20 years!"

I think it was it Larry the Cable Guy. (?)


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26 Feb 2009, 5:11 pm

I think Mae West put it best when she said "Marriage is a great institution, but I'm not ready for an institution yet."


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26 Feb 2009, 8:45 pm

Emor wrote:
I've never understood why Atheists get married other than it being the conventional thing to do, which is relgious thing, which totally contradicts with their Atheism.

This might be because you are unaware of the history of marriage as a pervasive social institution. It is no more a "religious thing" than eating.



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26 Feb 2009, 11:42 pm

Although you can successfully argue the religious ties to marriage, at its core marriage is a state thing -- not a religious thing. Otherwise government could say nothing about it and could not issue marriage licenses (nor the benefits thereof)

As an atheist, marriage has both emotional and practical value. At its core, it is the ultimate celebration of love and commitment to my designated female accomplice :). Practically, marriage provides legal securities with regard to inheritance, insurance, possession, contracts, taxes, among other things.

I can see no reason why any atheists would advocate against marriage as it stands unless it is to separate marriage from the government and hand it to churches, thereby turning marriage into nothing but a useless ritualistic ceremony, and then give government the power to distribute civil union licenses in its stead, in order to disallow any arguments for discrimination.

But that's just me :)



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26 Feb 2009, 11:58 pm

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Although you can successfully argue the religious ties to marriage, at its core marriage is a state thing -- not a religious thing. Otherwise government could say nothing about it and could not issue marriage licenses (nor the benefits thereof)

As an atheist, marriage has both emotional and practical value. At its core, it is the ultimate celebration of love and commitment to my designated female accomplice :). Practically, marriage provides legal securities with regard to inheritance, insurance, possession, contracts, taxes, among other things.

I can see no reason why any atheists would advocate against marriage as it stands unless it is to separate marriage from the government and hand it to churches, thereby turning marriage into nothing but a useless ritualistic ceremony, and then give government the power to distribute civil union licenses in its stead, in order to disallow any arguments for discrimination.

But that's just me :)


Well said :) I'm inclined to agree with you.


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04 Mar 2009, 9:54 pm

...every woman's end, and every man's finish...- Anon...;)



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04 Mar 2009, 11:56 pm

pakled wrote:
...every woman's end, and every man's finish...- Anon...;)


Of course a lot depends upon which end of a woman a man is interested in and how well finished a man can be.



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05 Mar 2009, 2:37 am

Marriage is a societal institution, and quite stupid one at that. Look, if two people love each other they will stay with each other, and don't need a legal contract. It's a tool, that's all.


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05 Mar 2009, 5:40 am

So marriage, in my view, is useless! Man and women don't need the so-called social institution to stay together!



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05 Mar 2009, 6:31 am

"marriage" seems to be a silly contract that speaks louder than the voices of the 2 people that are bound by it.
it provides a sense of security to people who are otherwise unconvinced as to the natural permanency of their relationship.

it is also a choker chain that strangles the 2 people if they suddenly want to run in opposite directions from each other.

maybe it has a use as being a dampener of ill considered spontaneous actions of repudiation.

but i only answered this thread because there is no interesting threads happening at the moment here.



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05 Mar 2009, 6:59 am

Emor wrote:
I've never understood why Atheists get married other than it being the conventional thing to do, which is relgious thing, which totally contradicts with their Atheism. I asked my Mum, and the general message was in the event of things not working out, things are easier like money and such, which contradicts with the whole point of marriage!
So, I was just wondering if there's any Atheists who are married and why?(I'm not against the idea, I just think it seems a bit hypocritical[not trying to insult, just want to know why])
EMZ=]


Marriage is a contractual relation that promotes stable family life and protects children conceived within the scope of the contract. It need not be religious. It is essentially the most important civil agreement that two (or more) people can make. I include possible polygamous and polyanderous arrangements. Monogamy can be difficult for some men. The strict monogamous arrangement has its difficulties. It does not allow for men to have sexual relations outside the contract (as with girlfriends or prostitutes) and that can be difficult. Variations on the monogamous contract might ease some of the difficulties.

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05 Mar 2009, 6:59 am

Emor wrote:
I've never understood why Atheists get married other than it being the conventional thing to do, which is relgious thing, which totally contradicts with their Atheism. I asked my Mum, and the general message was in the event of things not working out, things are easier like money and such, which contradicts with the whole point of marriage!
So, I was just wondering if there's any Atheists who are married and why?(I'm not against the idea, I just think it seems a bit hypocritical[not trying to insult, just want to know why])
EMZ=]


Marriage is a contractual relation that promotes stable family life and protects children conceived within the scope of the contract. It need not be religious. It is essentially the most important civil agreement that two (or more) people can make. I include possible polygamous and polyanderous arrangements. Monogamy can be difficult for some men. The strict monogamous arrangement has its difficulties. It does not allow for men to have sexual relations outside the contract (as with girlfriends or prostitutes) and that can be difficult. Variations on the monogamous contract might ease some of the difficulties.

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