How can people be so brutal with refugees, really?

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I'm going to take my time to address this particular post as I've read it. Basically, from what I gather many European countries have become disenchanted with taking in such large number of refugees. Mind you, The people whom are entering these various nation are not necessarily individuals whom simply wish to leach of the government welfare systems though, on an honest level there probably is a certain percentage of such people however, I don't think all migrants would come under that classification in literal means. I have a friend of mien whom spoke of a time when Germany had taken in a large number of migrants from Turkey and for the most part it was a positive result both in terms of labor force and said persons helping themselves to integrate into their new homeland society as such. Yes, there are people whom sometimes flee from one place to another and once they have settled into a new place they make absolutely no attempt at integration whatsoever.

Therefore, one really has to look at this difficult issue from both sides and try to find meaningful & sound decisions as how to address the many problems faced by such a crisis.

I have lost track of what this thread was about.

In Africa refugees go to an air base with UN troops to protect them. Not getting shot, being given food, is good.

There does seem to be some problems with the USA recently giving a half billion, and the EU a billion, to the refugee camps in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan. What I heard before that was rations were being cut because the UN lacked funds.

The last four years seem to be little support for refugees. Now that millions are walking to Europe, people think about life in the camps.

There are many places outside the war zone where people could go, if they had support. Going all the way to Germany or Sweden does seem to be welfare shopping.

A failure to create a reasonable alternative, and some dumb German saying we will take 800,000, lead to this situation.

Also American and British support of moderate murders in Syria. Assad was supposed to fall this would all be done in six months, Joe Biden's son would be head of the Oil Company.

Not only is there a wave heading to Europe, Russia has showed up big time, air and ground, and non Assad factions are about to get mowed. That is going to put a lot of new people on the path to anywhere else. Russia does know how to hunt terrorists.

Russia is known to hunt them down even if they flee to another country.

There are hundreds of Russian speakers in ISIS, and Russia wants to be sure they do not return to Russia.

To be clear, Russia will hunt and kill them wherever they go.

A land without borders leads to a war without borders.

I am always amused when people feel that all the problems of the world are caused by the evil Americans and Europeans. It seems every country with issues only has issues because of them. I live in a country where that is the view. Funny, there is PLENTY of blame to go around here...mostly with the locals and their messed up, no law applies to me, you owe me, I deserve mentality...soon they'll be asking for handouts from others and messing up yet another country. Sorry, but at some point you need to stay in your country and try to fix it. I can assure you that while SOME who leave their country are decent human beings, MANY who leave are actually part of the reason their country is in such a mess. You'll see. Wait 10 years and you'll be banging your heads.

The forces that govern all our lives are objective....Adam Smith referred to them as the unseen hand, Karl Marx, material dialcticism. These forces we term capitalism.

They include a borderless global market and demographic portability. These two have been with us ever since the first major demographic wave saw European refugees take new lands and will continue until the world is fully capitalist.

No amount of hand wringing can stop or slow these forces down, not even attempts to set them back in places such as the Middle East with strong resistance such as ISIS and Al Qaeda. People will adapt to serve the system as the system compels it.

OK, please let me get this off my chest.

I'm totally against letting tens of thousands of Syrians into the UK. The UK is extremely overpopulated as it is, and foreign people are coming first before us British. The British feel so unimportant - in our own country.

Everybody I speak to says the same thing.

No disrespect for foreign people, whether they are Eastern European or Syrian refugees, they are all people and the general population of them are good people. But, things can only go so far. I mean, Syria should sort itself out.

Also, I've read somewhere, and heard on the news, that the UK are going to give refugees health benefits, new homes and thousands of jobs are going to go to them. So, what about us British? In most other countries, like Australia and the USA, you can't just walk into their country and expect to be given a home, a job and benefits, without having lots and lots of your own money behind you. So why is the UK letting so many people from other countries come to the UK and take up homes, jobs and tax-payer's money?

I mean, me and my brother are suffering from anxiety issues and my brother has severe depression. He is 28 but still living at home, has tried and tried to help himself, tried looking for a new (better paid) job, wants to move out, and has been phoning up for support, but nobody wants to help, and he gets turned down job after job. But a Syrian family can come to the UK, and just get given a home and jobs, just like that. It is so unfair. And don't say us British ''aren't trying hard enough'' because we ARE.

Some people, eg Muslims, get offended by our English culture, but if us British people say anything about any foreign people, we are the racist ones. But it is not racist. British people should have more rights to free speech when we are in our own country. Can't anybody see this? I suppose the rich British folk don't understand, but let's get an average-class British person on this thread and they will agree with everything I have said in this post.

Sorry but it's just realistic. The UK used to be one of the best countries to live in. The older generation have watched the UK go downhill ever since the late 80's/early 90's, and it noticeably went downhill since early to mid-2000's.

Because supposedly every last one of them is an islamic terrorist or at least a terrorist waiting to happen. I can of course understand frusteration that the U.S isn't doing more to help the refugees considering the U.S has had a major role in creating the whole damn crisis in the middle east....and frusteration that instead they just push it on the rest of the world. But yes the hate directed specifically at the refugees themselves is certainly disturbing, almost like its becoming almost expected to view them as sub-human garbage or something.

Well the US isn't taking any refugees in because they believe in ''your own people come first''.

And how can the UK possibly take all these thousands of refugees in if there are already thousands, if not millions of Eastern European people here already? There clearly is no room, and the British will be just completely pushed to the side. I'm sorry, but I agree with America. Your own people come first. Sounds selfish yes, but it's how a society should be.

I'm sorry but the UK is in a terrible financial crisis as it is, with crappy government, and us British folk are getting really angry about the Syrian refugees. Some people even say that loads of refugees are becoming ''refugees'' on purpose, so that they can come to the UK and they know that they will just be given a house and benefits. I don't know if that's true or not, but I'm telling you, there is clearly no more room for refugees to come to the UK.

Pretty soon Britain won't be Britain any more, and it'd be all us British on the streets while all foreign people are living in houses. Pretty scary, and f****d up. But we will not be welcome to any other countries unless we are stinking rich.

Just want to add some data to clarify one point in the discussion.
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America, for perhaps the last century, takes in more immigrants, legal and illegal, each year then any other country.
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Since 2006 America has taken in each year more then the rest of the world combined. Estimated at 1-2 million each year.

(the situation has impacted Europe because that is where the refugees are physically heading, with Germany and Sweden being the most sought after destination because of those countries immigration laws. Obama recently pledged to take 10,000 of the refugees this year, and I think 100,000 in 2016)

The developing world is suppose to add 1.2 billion people in the next fifteen years alone, and many more billions in the next 60 years.

Syrian refugees are a pebble in the ocean.

There will be pressure to move billions of African and Asian people into Europe.

Bluntly put, we're afraid of them.

It isn't really about "How many ISIS are hiding in the ranks of refugees??" Oh, yes, there's that to fear...

But the real fear is much, much larger.

Cultural flux is the story of human history. Waves of refugees (one wonders what all those people that crossed the Bering Strait land bridge were running from), waves of conquerors... It's basically all the same thing. They come, they bring their culture with them.

And no one wants to lose their culture. Conquerors get to force theirs on the conquered. Refugees try to hang onto theirs, while hosts feel threatened by that, and naturally so. Because cultural flux happens, and no one wants to lose their culture.

Dominant groups (America and Western Europe) have even more to lose. Not just culture, but primacy. That's even scarier.

My suggestion?? Cultural flux is the story of human history. Either be kind, extend a hand, learn the language, and flow with it...

...or stop pussyfooting around, build walls, and openly declare that you're willing to kill old women and little kids.

Make peace. Or make war. One way or the other, stop f*****g around.

Put them in camps, keep the gates closed, and when it becomes safe in their country, send them back.

I think there should be some sort of camps they can go to, whether it's in the UK or Germany or anywhere, where they are warm and fed and everything, and are given work to do inside the camp, like farming or whatever, and no torture, and the children are safe and even schooled. It won't be the best education or the best housing, but it will at least keep them safe, warm and fed until it is safe to go back to their own country. OK this may cost the UK or whatever other countries they go to money still because of food and stuff, but it won't be as bad as them taking over our economy and leaving no room for us British people. It will be the fairest thing to do.

OK I am probably being unrealistic, but there are braindead pricks that run this country and seem to think that everybody's rich just because they are, and that everybody on job-seekers can find a job within a week even though more and more foreign people are entering the UK each month and are taking up all the jobs. When I went in Tesco the other day, nearly all the workers I saw and heard were foreign, and I've been applying endlessly to Tesco and just get turned down each time.