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06 Jun 2016, 9:54 am

So I just read a article on CNN, on how Clinton is close on this election, but Sanders is not giving up.

My question is, in your opinion, do you personally think Bernie Sanders has a chance?

I think this scenario is similar to Obama and Hillary in 2008



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06 Jun 2016, 9:57 am

Doubt it. Unless he wins really big, the superdelegates will support Hillary.

I'm not a Bernie supporter, but I hate Hillary. I find it hilarious that she still hasn't secured the nomination, despite the media saying she was a shoe-in.


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06 Jun 2016, 11:04 am

Not much of a chance, but not no chance. The longer he stays in the running the more opportunity for something negative to happen with Clinton. And she is vunerable. She might even get scratched after she won the nomination (if she does win it).



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06 Jun 2016, 3:22 pm

No. Clinton clinches it tommorrow evening when the New Jersey primary results come in.

If in the unlikely event something happens legally or health wise between now and the Democratic Convention next month the party will not nominate a socialist who is really an independent and used thier party. If that scenerio unfolds there will be riots not just in Phildelphia site of the convention but nationwide that will pretty much guarentee Trump bieng sworn in as President on January 20, 2017. Their economic interests will trump (pun intended) thier political correctness. Trump an unpredicable businessman would be prefered over a socialist.


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06 Jun 2016, 4:46 pm

At this point Bernie Madoff is almost as likely to win the nomination as Bernie Sanders is.

I suppose Bernie Sanders has a slightly better chance than Bernie Mac, though, given that the latter is dead...



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06 Jun 2016, 5:08 pm

Bernie Sanders has conducted a fine, principled campaign. He should not drop out. And I suspect that deep down he knows Hillary would make a bad President. And he has to be aware that Biden will enter with Elizabeth Warren to replace Hillary, if she’s indicted.



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06 Jun 2016, 5:15 pm

Only the FBI, or maybe sudden health issues, can save him now.


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06 Jun 2016, 7:56 pm

Sanders knows he cannot win. At this point he's there to keep Clinton as left as possible.

He will have some influence on the party platform and maybe on the VP pick--possibly Elizabeth Warren.


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06 Jun 2016, 7:59 pm

Nope, he lost PR by a wide margin yesterday pushing Clinton over the magic number.

He said yesterday he's going to stop her at the convention by all means, regardless of delegate count and how they vote.

Sources are claiming that Sanders is preparing his campaign for nasty legal fight to overturn the convention's nomination if they don't nominate him...

He's lashing out at CBS and AP right now for declaring Clinton the nominee.


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06 Jun 2016, 8:04 pm

The odds were against Sanders from the get go. The primaries have voter suppression built right into them. Then of course there are the undemocratic establishment super delegates that hold all the cards at the end. Hillary will win the nomination but it won't be a fair and square win.

Even with all the odds against him Sanders ran one hell of a race. The revolution, not started by Bernie rather ignited by him, will live on beyond his campaign.


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06 Jun 2016, 8:12 pm

RoadRatt wrote:
The odds were against Sanders from the get go. The primaries have voter suppression built right into them. Then of course there are the undemocratic establishment super delegates that hold all the cards at the end. Hillary will win the nomination but it won't be a fair and square win.

Even with all the odds against him Sanders ran one hell of a race. The revolution, not started by Bernie rather ignited by him, will live on beyond his campaign.

There is no voter supression in primary season.

Half the states are open primaries where anyone can vote for either party regardless party registration.

The other half are closed or caucus states, where most require registration two months in advance to take part in them.
A few do same day registration.

It's just most voters don't pay attention to the rules regarding primaries in most states and tend to ignore primary season and mid terms.


Sanders has been fighting with the Democrats since he was first elected to Congress.
We have articles from the 1990s with Bernie hating on the Democrats exclusively while being nice to the GOP.

Now that Democratic race is over, Sanders supporters will transfer their support to Trump as promised if Hillary won the race.


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06 Jun 2016, 8:30 pm

xenocity wrote:
We have articles from the 1990s with Bernie hating on the Democrats exclusively while being nice to the GOP.


"We"?


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06 Jun 2016, 8:34 pm

Dox47 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
We have articles from the 1990s with Bernie hating on the Democrats exclusively while being nice to the GOP.


"We"?

As in the country and people.

We is the most proper word to use in a sentence like that.


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06 Jun 2016, 8:36 pm

xenocity wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
We have articles from the 1990s with Bernie hating on the Democrats exclusively while being nice to the GOP.


"We"?

As in the country and people.

We is the most proper word to use in a sentence like that.


Do we have links?


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06 Jun 2016, 8:45 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
We have articles from the 1990s with Bernie hating on the Democrats exclusively while being nice to the GOP.


"We"?

As in the country and people.

We is the most proper word to use in a sentence like that.


Do we have links?


Quote:
"Bernie alienates his natural allies," said Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.). "His holier-than-thou attitude--saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else --really undercuts his effectiveness.
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-09-08/ ... ajor-party"


That's from a September 8th 1991 interview with U.S. House members, which includes the Sanders in his first term.

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When the legislators discovered that, because of a staff error, Sanders had been invited to the meeting, they were not pleased.

"He thought, 'Why even go now?' " relays an aide to one of the senators. "We knew Bernie would just start yelling and arguing."

"The senator was not happy," confirms an aide to the other. "Bernie had been publicly bad-mouthing the administration nonstop -- it would not have been a conducive environment for negotiation."

"If someone says, 'Look, Bernie, we are all getting together and we want to compromise and cut a deal, and I say, 'I don't want to compromise,' I can understand why they don't want me there."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 512751a3d/


This articles go on and on about how Sanders refuses to be nice and play nice with the his colleagues in Congress, while hating on Bush I's administration at every chance.

This from July 9th, 1991 (before Bill Clinton was elected).

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-e ... m-1.701787

Here is the republication of Sanders interview with Haaretz (Israel media outlet), with him lashing out Israel and the Israeli government.


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06 Jun 2016, 9:01 pm

xenocity wrote:
There is no voter supression in primary season.


Again, bullsh*t.

Voter suppression is built into the primaries with closed primaries. Then there have been the states like New York where 100,000+ voters were purged, same in California though not as many. Arizona was straight up suppression with the voting station closures, though from what I read that was a GOP test for future voter suppression across the country. Arizona wasn't the only state to close voting stations in order to suppress votes. This is just a few examples of voter suppression that took place.

Then of course there are the undemocratic super delegates which are there to give the establishment a say in who our nominee will be. Sure they have never overturned a primary but they are still there to "rig" the system.


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