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28 Oct 2020, 10:35 am

Very interesting.....

Maybe the US should have kept "milliard," then....



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28 Oct 2020, 10:56 am

Nah, Milliard Fillimore was an terrible president.



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28 Oct 2020, 11:01 am

magz wrote:
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"Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu Last Winter, Highest Toll in Years"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/heal ... ccine.html

That's 80 thousand, not million. A difference by a factor 1000.

Enough, the poster had a brain freeze we all have and apologized for it.

The issue is are we overreacting to coronavirus. The flu is often brought up in these arguments. In 1968 the Hong Kong Flu pandemic hit America killing 100,000 out of a population a lot less then we have now. In my sixth grade class out of 25 kids 5 of us made it in one day. Extremely contagious. My school did not close, nothing closed, nobody was quarantined or isolated, no extra precautions that I recall. Without realizing it was what we describe today as total herd immunity approach. Hong Kong Flu was big news but far from dominant.

When coronavirus hit my first reaction to shutting down everything was what wimps we are today. But COVID is not the flu. It is five times as deadly as most flu’s. It leaves long term to permanent disability at a much higher rate then the we have traditionally approached the flu lung damage, Heart damage, kidney damage, shortness of breath, fatigue, cognitive decline. This is why the minuscule amount of deaths via cases often cited as a reason for the herd immunity approach is misleading. This is why the approach to coronavirus should not be the same as flu. But lockdowns are terrible for the economy and mental health so which is the lesser of two evils? In the short term while total shutdown for any length of time may be too much restrictions are necessary and the minor discomfort(for most) of mask wearing when indoors or with crowds is not too much to ask.

What I fear and predict is that the combination of vaccine being partially effective, a few spectacular failures of vaccines leading to a large percentage of people not taking them, “coronavirus fatigue” and most people not dying will lead to most people gradually going back to normal or somewhat normal. A partial herd immunity reality? When the pandemic first happened I thought the 1 to 2 million death predictions being bandied about were hyperbole. Now I expect the lower end of that range to happen. And if you are in a high risk group you the more society opens up the more you should isolate. “Protecting the vulnerable” for the most part that is virtue signaling, always has been.


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28 Oct 2020, 2:41 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There are actually almost 8 BILLION people on Earth.

I'm curious: does anybody here know the term "milliard," meaning "1,000 million"?

In the old days, in the UK, a "milliard" was the American "billion," and the "billion" was the American "trillion."


This is my understand of it:

In the US 10^6 power is a "million", and 10^9 power is a billion, and 10^12 power is a "trillion".

In contrast in the UK a million is the same, but 10^9 power is "a thousand million", and 10^12 is a "billion", and 10^15 is "a thousand billion", and 10^18 is a "trillion".



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28 Oct 2020, 5:46 pm

We have been slowly been nudged in that direction for years , it’s just been very subtle ..... but ongoing .
The virus will root out more control over a persons private information ....... We did not wear masks , when hantavirus virus or SARS virus came through .... although this one does sound a bit more infectious .


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28 Oct 2020, 6:21 pm

SARS really didn't penetrate the United States that much. It pretty much stayed in China and nearby areas.



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28 Oct 2020, 6:34 pm

Dear Kraftie,
Wasn’t SARS also deliberately being spread by that cult in China?
The members were releasing in on their subways, or something?


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28 Oct 2020, 6:57 pm

Sylkat wrote:
Dear Kraftie,
Wasn’t SARS also deliberately being spread by that cult in China?
The members were releasing in on their subways, or something?

I think you might be confused with Sarin which was released on a subway in Japan.


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28 Oct 2020, 7:01 pm

Yes, you are right; I remember being bewildered and scared by the whole situation, and not understanding why anyone would do such a thing.


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29 Oct 2020, 1:25 am

Jakki wrote:
We have been slowly been nudged in that direction for years , it’s just been very subtle ..... but ongoing .
The virus will root out more control over a persons private information ....... We did not wear masks , when hantavirus virus or SARS virus came through .... although this one does sound a bit more infectious .


It seems to come down to those who question and resist and those who go along with whatever they're told.



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29 Oct 2020, 3:44 am

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Yes, you are right; I remember being bewildered and scared by the whole situation, and not understanding why anyone would do such a thing.


The cult is now called Aleph after Seven members of the former Aum Shinrikyo doomsday cult (which carried out a deadly chemical attack using Sarin nerve gas on the Tokyo underground in 1995) were executed, including it's leader Shoko Asahara



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29 Oct 2020, 1:08 pm

I did not know that they were executed.
I don’t think I knew that Japan had the death penalty.
I don’t think I ever had a clue why they would try to kill a lot of total strangers.


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29 Oct 2020, 2:47 pm

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I did not know that they were executed.
I don’t think I knew that Japan had the death penalty.
I don’t think I ever had a clue why they would try to kill a lot of total strangers.


Never understood why a person would kill complete strangers without their own lives being immediately threatened.
By that same person .


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30 Oct 2020, 6:35 pm

Absolutely.
How can anyone be drawn to and then join a group which is capable of that?
Here in my area, a group poisoned themselves in a rented mansion because their leader convinced them that this is how their real selves would leave their bodies and ride around together on a comet circling through the universe forever.
The leader was the first death.
They followed him.
But.
They did not murder anyone.


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30 Oct 2020, 9:27 pm

Sylkat wrote:
Absolutely.
How can anyone be drawn to and then join a group which is capable of that?
Here in my area, a group poisoned themselves in a rented mansion because their leader convinced them that this is how their real selves would leave their bodies and ride around together on a comet circling through the universe forever.
The leader was the first death.
They followed him.
But.
They did not murder anyone.

I hadn't heard much about that group in a while. Didn't the men all castrate themselves?


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30 Oct 2020, 11:26 pm

Yes, I believe so; they went to Mexico to have that procedure done.
Can’t remember how many people were in the cult, but a refrigerated truck was brought in for their bodies.
Like the Aum Shinrikyo, like the Coronavirus=Hoax believers, like Scientology, individuals get focused on an idea or a leader and gives their lives to it.
I do not understand.


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