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26 Nov 2014, 3:30 am

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To the tune of chestnuts roasting on an open fire

/Cops cars roasting on an open fire / Walgreens burning to the ground / Knocking over the Toys RRRR Us!! ! / Folks dressed up like Anarchists..../

It's a work in progress.

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What a world we live in, hey?
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26 Nov 2014, 4:18 am

Honestly, I don't think all the blame lies on the residents of Ferguson for the problems there, police - both in the US, UK, and probably most countries - are far too often far too... confrontational, aggressive? The point is, they escalate tension rather than trying to defuse it, and develop far too much of an us-vs-them mentality. It turns out people don't respond too well to being shouted at... :roll:

Then the person they're shouting at escalates more, then the cop responds even more, then the person escalates again... and ends up being shot. Who's fault is that? The guy who got shot, but the cop is still a jerk.

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26 Nov 2014, 4:22 am

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Yeah, and it outed ignorant people that rather emotion and subjective interpretations/lies than the actual objective truth.

QFT, this is like Zimmerman/Martin redux with all the ignorance and hand-wringing and complete misunderstanding of the law, right down to the certainty of people who were not there that they somehow know exactly what happened.

Just for fun:

900 or so people per year are murdered in the US with hands or feet, more than are killed by rifles and shotguns (notice that that category includes the dreaded "assault weapons), making lethal self defense against an "unarmed" person both morally and legally justifiable.

Aiming center mass is the only responsible way to fire a weapon in a defensive scenario, adrenaline kills fine motor control, which combined with a frenetic situation and the generally poor marksmanship of the police, makes the idea of going for a limb shot unrealistic and irresponsible.

Everything the grand jury saw is being released to the public, I don't know what anyone thinks "Anonymous" is going to accomplish, other than drawing some felony charges.

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26 Nov 2014, 4:42 am

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^^^
there are primarily logical aspies and primarily emotional aspies, and the evidence is in that each group needs to avoid the other.

What evidence, and why? I don't even think Aspies break down that way, the people you're tagging as logical Aspies just happen to think critically and challenge the assumptions of others, which are both healthy things, things that should be welcomed by anyone who isn't so narrow minded that they can't handle anyone who thinks differently than they do.

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26 Nov 2014, 4:47 am

Dox47 wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

^^^
there are primarily logical aspies and primarily emotional aspies, and the evidence is in that each group needs to avoid the other.

you should know by now that I am emotional and not logical. the fact that we don't get along is evidence that the two types are best separated. not all aspies are logical! nor should they be.

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26 Nov 2014, 5:29 am

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Then the person they're shouting at escalates more, then the cop responds even more, then the person escalates again... and ends up being shot. Who's fault is that? The guy who got shot, but the cop is still a jerk.

That's the problem with protesting.

Most of the time, the majority tend to be relatively peaceful (yelling curse words at the police still comes under this), but then you have the several in the crowd that aren't and throw things, possibly lethal things, such as bricks and rocks (which are a threat to the crowd just as much or more so than to the police), then the police are forced to respond. They respond with less lethal means, but everyone in the group will be subject to those means. Gas isn't selective.

I think the "snatch and grab" tactics are good, grabbing and arresting individuals throwing things, though the police will always be cautious here, as if there's a situation where the crowd can possibly cut off officers.... It's for the safety of all that such a thing doesn't happen.

People looting and vandalizing, and anyone nearby such, need to catch tear gas in the least, as soon as they're within range.

I'll say it's the people that attack the police that are at fault though, but it's sad that they are fighting within the peaceful protestors. It seems like if everyone gets home ok, then that should be taken as a success, even if people were gassed that didn't deserve it.

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26 Nov 2014, 5:34 am

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900 or so people per year are murdered in the US with hands or feet, more than are killed by rifles and shotguns (notice that that category includes the dreaded "assault weapons), making lethal self defense against an "unarmed" person both morally and legally justifiable.

I have no idea where people get, unarmed doesn't equal a potential threat to life. Throw in the...21 feet rule, and there you go.

If I'm within fisticuffs range, a firearm means nothing to me. Hence, anyone is rightfully allowed to shoot me if I'm outside of that range, but try to close it to fisticuffs range (obviously, when it's determined that I'm a threat).

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26 Nov 2014, 5:46 am

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fwiw Brown was 35+ feet away and Wilson was giving chase(when he claimed he feared for his life)

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26 Nov 2014, 6:03 am

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fwiw Brown was 35+ feet away and Wilson was giving chase(when he claimed he feared for his life)

So it appears.

It appears that Brown was running at Wilson though, hence, he stopped him from getting within fisticuffs range. I think Brown was actually pretty close to Wilson at the fatal shot.

Of course, that's if you believe the Grand Jury.

There's one thing I thought of though:

Brown might not have heard Wilson due to temporary hearing loss from the two shots in the car. Though I think Wilson said Brown was talking to him outside before he charged; I forget the details regarding that though.

(The main point is what Brown did after Wilson ordered him to stop. Most of the evidence points to the one outcome. Some eyewitness reports don't. I'm going with the former. That's the most rational and reasonable one.)

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26 Nov 2014, 6:19 am

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Wilson didn't know anything about Brown stealing Swishers, he stopped him because he was walking in the middle of the road.

As I understand it, he saw Brown and the other guy walking down the middle of the road and asked them to move to the side. The two became abusive at the request. At about that time, he saw the cigarellos and realized that they matched the description of the robbers and called for assistance. When he tried to get out of his car, Brown assaulted him through the window.

So to be precise, while he did not realize that Brown was the robber when he saw him in the middle of the road, he already knew of the robbery and quickly realized that Brown matched the description of the robber.

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26 Nov 2014, 6:22 am

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I should not have started this thread. :oops:

It needed to be done. Outted the lack of humanity here, and once again exposed a lot of closet racism on WP

Why do people see racism everywhere? If a white cop shoots a black robber who assaults him and tries to take his firearm away from him, why is it racist to think that the white cop had the right of self defense?

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26 Nov 2014, 6:25 am

Jacoby wrote:

Dillogic wrote:

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fwiw Brown was 35+ feet away and Wilson was giving chase(when he claimed he feared for his life)

No. He feared for his life when Brown turned around and came at him.

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26 Nov 2014, 6:44 am

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you should know by now that I am emotional and not logical. the fact that we don't get along is evidence that the two types are best separated. not all aspies are logical! nor should they be.

I got along fine with you until you started lying about me when I challenged your worldview; I get along with most people, in fact, but I do have a bit of a problem with people who lie rather than confront flaws in their own beliefs.

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26 Nov 2014, 6:51 am

Dox47 wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

you should know by now that I am emotional and not logical. the fact that we don't get along is evidence that the two types are best separated. not all aspies are logical! nor should they be.

I did NOT lie about YOU. as though you had absolutely no flaws in your own beliefs! and besides, what in blazes does this have to do with ferguson? why are you injecting yourself into this?

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26 Nov 2014, 7:24 am

auntblabby,

Feel free to not believe in reality. But do be aware that reality believes in you.

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26 Nov 2014, 9:18 am

eric76 wrote:

chagya wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

I should not have started this thread. :oops:

It needed to be done. Outted the lack of humanity here, and once again exposed a lot of closet racism on WP

Well, in America there are many "black ghetto" cities with high illiteracy, low high school graduation, few opportunities, very high crime, families split apart with parents in prison.

A poor black kid may have no computer, no iphone, get to take no vacations, lives in a ghetto, and sees the police locking up many people in the neighborhood, may even hate police because they locked up his father or family member.

Meanwhile go to a prosperous white city and see how the white people have it so much better. See the white kid on tv who has lots of stuff, and goes to a nice school, and lives in a huge house. It is like white people have so much more, and won't share. When Detroit filed bankruptcy black residents went on tv and said "we will burn this city to ground before we will give it back to whites", because they felt such an outrage over whites positioning themselves to take what little they had.

Now white cops are killing black kids which regardless of evidence, enrages people because they feel that whites are going after their children now.

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