Terrorists are on the rampage in Paris
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I have to say this whole thing makes me very angry, I guess I really, really hate religious extremism. And somehow that they shot over 100 people in a freaking concert is one of the worst aspects. Its also concerning that there could be more of these disgusting religious extremists waiting in other countries to commit simular acts...I mean they don't care if they live or die and want to destroy everything, they can keep their freaking death wish to themselves.
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As I said to my dad today, the people who will suffer the most because of this in France, other than the victims themselves and their families of course, are the Muslims who reside there. I mean, you see it as an attack on France, and I can understand it, but day-to-day, Muslims will feel the pain of it much more than non-Muslims will. In a few weeks time, French people will go back to their normal lives, but Muslims will still feel it, the suspicion by their mates, etc.
Kind of reminds me of how I as a Jew felt so bad to hear about Madoff, because I knew people would blame all of us.
Islamist terrorists hurt Muslims so much that it's a shame no one cares about those people. I mean, you can say: "Well, 150+ are dead, more injured, and you want us to worry about innocent people because someone cursed at them?" - but yes, I do. My family has a history of being a minority in Europe, especially a blamed one, so I know what it's like. Forget about the reasons for hatred for a second, and whether it's 1% or 50% or 90% of Jews/Muslims/Whatever that cause the hate. Fact is, there are people who will be persecuted because of this. People who don't look "European" and have Muslim/Arab/Berber/African names might have to be ashamed of themselves, even though they've done nothing wrong.
And you know what? That's what ISIS/Al Qaeda and all those other Islamist groups (and yes, they have their differences) want. That we will blame all Muslims. Because they want all Muslims as one group, supporting them. Don't play the game they're dictating. Don't blame innocent people, don't drive little kids to feel hatred so that they can later be brainwashed by those terrorists when they grow older. That's what they (the terrorists) want. They want you to not accept Muslims, to not let them integrate.
Well f**k them.
And yes, I as an Israeli Jew live in a society that has a phobia of Arabs/Islam myself, and I tell my people the exact same things.
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Kind of reminds me of how I as a Jew felt so bad to hear about Madoff, because I knew people would blame all of us.
Islamist terrorists hurt Muslims so much that it's a shame no one cares about those people. I mean, you can say: "Well, 150+ are dead, more injured, and you want us to worry about innocent people because someone cursed at them?" - but yes, I do. My family has a history of being a minority in Europe, especially a blamed one, so I know what it's like. Forget about the reasons for hatred for a second, and whether it's 1% or 50% or 90% of Jews/Muslims/Whatever that cause the hate. Fact is, there are people who will be persecuted because of this. People who don't look "European" and have Muslim/Arab/Berber/African names might have to be ashamed of themselves, even though they've done nothing wrong.
And you know what? That's what ISIS/Al Qaeda and all those other Islamist groups (and yes, they have their differences) want. That we will blame all Muslims. Because they want all Muslims as one group, supporting them. Don't play the game they're dictating. Don't blame innocent people, don't drive little kids to feel hatred so that they can later be brainwashed by those terrorists when they grow older. That's what they (the terrorists) want. They want you to not accept Muslims, to not let them integrate.
Well f**k them.
And yes, I as an Israel Jew live in a society that has a phobia of Arabs/Islam myself, and I tell my people the exact same things.
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Omerick, you're right.
Hate and fear feed on themselves. They breed and make little culture wars.
And little culture wars grow up and become the real thing.
Do I believe that terrorists will masquerade as refugees?? Yes. If I were a terrorist, I would do so. It would be a good strategy. It pays twice-- once in violence and death, and once in hate and fear.
If I were a refugee and found every door closed and every hand made into a fist, I would despair. Then I would get angry. Then I don't know what I would do. Radicalization would then be a possibility.
This is a problem that needs to be dealt with. Not painted with hot rhetoric and not pooh-poohed and denied.
How?? I don't know.
I do know that this is the way WWIII grows. We're looking at it.
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Kind of reminds me of how I as a Jew felt so bad to hear about Madoff, because I knew people would blame all of us.
Islamist terrorists hurt Muslims so much that it's a shame no one cares about those people. I mean, you can say: "Well, 150+ are dead, more injured, and you want us to worry about innocent people because someone cursed at them?" - but yes, I do. My family has a history of being a minority in Europe, especially a blamed one, so I know what it's like. Forget about the reasons for hatred for a second, and whether it's 1% or 50% or 90% of Jews/Muslims/Whatever that cause the hate. Fact is, there are people who will be persecuted because of this. People who don't look "European" and have Muslim/Arab/Berber/African names might have to be ashamed of themselves, even though they've done nothing wrong.
And you know what? That's what ISIS/Al Qaeda and all those other Islamist groups (and yes, they have their differences) want. That we will blame all Muslims. Because they want all Muslims as one group, supporting them. Don't play the game they're dictating. Don't blame innocent people, don't drive little kids to feel hatred so that they can later be brainwashed by those terrorists when they grow older. That's what they (the terrorists) want. They want you to not accept Muslims, to not let them integrate.
Well f**k them.
And yes, I as an Israeli Jew live in a society that has a phobia of Arabs/Islam myself, and I tell my people the exact same things.
Of course these extremists don't give a damn about the muslim community as a whole, they give a damn about pushing their extremism and destroying anything they can get their hands on. I hardly blame every muslim for this...that would be quite ignorant, and I certainly don't want to feed into what this group wants be promoting further division and hate to keep the vicious cycle going.
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The same reason we have attacks over here on "soft targets".
Too soon to tell yet but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the French government adopted something akin to (or worse than) the Patriot Act in the wake of this attack.
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You're both wrong!
It's the Amish.
'Tain't funny McGee! Nothing in this f!cking thread is funny, or even humorous. You're all a bunch of neo-Nazis for even making light of this latest tragedy.
Moderator: Please invoke Godwin's law, NOW, AND LOCK THIS THREAD!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Meistersinger, joking for some is a way of diffusing a terrible situation. One of the first things I do when in shock is joke.
Not to worry about Meistersinger. This is just a remanifestation of his anger from other encounters with me. Note how he only picked my post to take issue with.
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ISIS wants to make European Muslims many of which are already radicalized have to decide between sticking with their religion or sticking with their country. They said clearly that they were going to smuggle in fighters with these refugees, this will only be the beginning if it is not handled. We need to confront our real enemies, it's not Assad or the Iranians or the Russians but Saudi Arabia and Turkey who are funding and facilitating ISIS. We should use this as an opportunity to work together against a shared enemy, our neoconservative foreign policy and MIC are a cancer in a our country that make us poorer and less safe.
Nah, the Religion of Peace is Christianity.
I think that the quote referred to the left-wing twits who claim Christianity is evil and Islam is the Religion of Peace.
He also confirmed that one of the dead attackers had been identified as a 30-year-old Frenchman who had a criminal record but had never spent time in jail.
The man came from the town of Courcouronnes, 25km (15 miles) west of Paris. He had been identified by the security services as having been radicalised but had never been implicated in a counter-terrorism investigation.
Mr Molins said all seven militants had used Kalashnikov assault rifles and the same type of explosive vests.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34823938
It's believed that many of the terrorists are non muslim French born citizens.
Though to be fair the majority of the muslim immigrants and immigrants came from their former North African colonies.
France gave those who were loyal to France an option to come to France for the services to the country.
Sadly despite the best efforts of the French government and the immigrants, they were unsuccessful at integrating into French society.
French Society is very racist against non christians, and those of African and North African ancestry.
Most employers will not hire anyone from the above groups, and people will treat them as second class citizens.
This has led to those two groups having very high unemployment amongst their children and high underemployment for those who managed to find work.
French people and society pushed back heavily against French government's anti discrimination policies.
Also more information about yesterday's events below.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34818994
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It's believed that many of the terrorists are non muslim French born citizens.
Non-Muslim ? Supports my conspiracy theory that the Hinjews did it, then.
Though to be fair the majority of the muslim immigrants and immigrants came from their former North African colonies.
France gave those who were loyal to France an option to come to France for the services to the country.
Sadly despite the best efforts of the French government and the immigrants, they were unsuccessful at integrating into French society.
French Society is very racist against non christians, and those of African and North African ancestry.
Most employers will not hire anyone from the above groups, and people will treat them as second class citizens.
This has led to those two groups having very high unemployment amongst their children and high underemployment for those who managed to find work.
French people and society pushed back heavily against French government's anti discrimination policies.
Also more information about yesterday's events below.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34818994
Right...it's hard to integrate into "mainstream society" when you insist on living by, and under, the Sharia, and wantonly disregard local laws. It's also difficult to find jobs when you insist on praying 5 times a day - DURING THE WORK DAY - and on the employer's dime, when everyone else is ...you know... WORKING ?
And, hey, if life in France is tres difficile, you always have the option to go back wherever you came from. I mean, if life in the Old Country was all so fine and dandy, you wouldn't have emigrated in the first place, would you have now ?
I know that my response is going to be considered "RACIST" and anti-Muslim, but what I absolutely detest is people fleeing terrible conditions back "home", moving into another country for the benefits of living in a safe, sane and stable place, then insisting on importing their own "culture" into that host country - the same "culture" that led to the ruin of their own homelands - and finally crying foul and turning Jihadists because - oh, the HORROR - the host country - GASP ! - won't stand for your shenanigans and actually requires you to follow the local laws and not indulge in criminal enterprises in exchange for "refuge".
No wonder that many countries are closing their borders to those who live (and would die) by the sword.
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On tv they are blaming the Muslims (ISIS).
ISIS probably was behind it or had a heavy hand in it.
But not all who took part were muslims and foreigners.
You can lash out and aid terrorist without supporting their core beliefs.
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