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21 Mar 2022, 4:56 am

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Oh ok I thought he would have made it look like he was caught on video as part of his case.

But if there was no video or I witnesses at all, why even pay two people to beat you up? Why not just beat yourself up if no one's going to see it, and then report it?


Smollett's IQ might have something to do about that. :mrgreen:


His sister Jurnee is a great actress. She absolutely nailed it in Lovecraft country. One of the best performances by a female actress I've seen in recent times.



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21 Mar 2022, 8:20 am

What happens if he's resentenced after losing his appeal? Does he get given the original term or one that differs?

I'm surprised they release people on appeal in the US.



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21 Mar 2022, 3:41 pm

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What happens if he's resentenced after losing his appeal? Does he get given the original term or one that differs?

I'm surprised they release people on appeal in the US.


He has a big profile in Hollywood, plus his family have other actors so I think there will be some plea deal + community service coming up.

As I said earlier the judge seemed to be somewhat vindictive in aiming to go out of his way to punish Smollet when there are infact more worthy cases of innocent people getting locked up.



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21 Mar 2022, 3:48 pm

If it turns out he actually "faked a hate crime," I feel like he should be punished rather severely.



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21 Mar 2022, 3:53 pm

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If it turns out he actually "faked a hate crime," I feel like he should be punished rather severely.
A few months in the general population of Stateville Correctional Center should be enough.



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21 Mar 2022, 3:56 pm

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If it turns out he actually "faked a hate crime," I feel like he should be punished rather severely.


There is the question of his mental state. People like to crucify the mentally ill.



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21 Mar 2022, 4:03 pm

I don't advocate "crucifying the mentally ill." I've had quite a few friends who were mentally ill.

Observe: I said IF he actually "faked a hate crime."

I used to know someone who used to call the police for things which did not occur. This person claimed that I was having a fight with my mother, and that I had a weapon. At least 10 police officers showed up at my mother's door one day.



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21 Mar 2022, 4:06 pm

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If it turns out he actually "faked a hate crime," I feel like he should be punished rather severely.
There is the question of his mental state. People like to crucify the mentally ill.
The only "question" of his mental state was posed after the crime.  If he is truly non-compos mentis, then he might never hold down another job again.  But if he is faking insanity (like he faked the attack), then off to prison he goes!



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21 Mar 2022, 5:46 pm

Pepe wrote:
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Oh ok I thought he would have made it look like he was caught on video as part of his case.

But if there was no video or I witnesses at all, why even pay two people to beat you up? Why not just beat yourself up if no one's going to see it, and then report it?


Smollett's IQ might have something to do about that. :mrgreen:


Nawww...

I think that that is a non issue.
Doctors dont take out their own appendices. How would you like having to give yourself an uppercut?

If you were a rich up and rising actor, and needed (for some odd reason) injuries on your own face - you might pay a pair of big burly friends to slap you around. It would be easier than smacking yourself around. And they were personal trainers by trade who might have had some instinct for how to injure him just enough to make it look kinda real- without seriously hurting him.



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21 Mar 2022, 8:03 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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If it turns out he actually "faked a hate crime," I feel like he should be punished rather severely.


There is the question of his mental state. People like to crucify the mentally ill.


Is he in California? <joke> :mrgreen:



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21 Mar 2022, 8:07 pm

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I don't advocate "crucifying the mentally ill." I've had quite a few friends who were mentally ill.

Observe: I said IF he actually "faked a hate crime."

I used to know someone who used to call the police for things which did not occur. This person claimed that I was having a fight with my mother, and that I had a weapon. At least 10 police officers showed up at my mother's door one day.


It sounds like he is a "victim narcissist".
People may call that a mental illness.
I call it utter selfishness.

His aim was to increase his profile to get a better wage deal, I have heard.
If this is correct...
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...What an a***hole... 8O



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21 Mar 2022, 11:50 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I said IF he actually "faked a hate crime.".


The only plausible reason to think he did not fake a hate crime at this point is that anything is possible. What are the odds of a some bigots knowing that Smollett is going be at some obscure deli at 2AM on the coldest night of the year? What are the odds of some random MAGA’s being knowlegable about the show Empire, just happened to be out in the middle of the night at the same place as Smollett, at the same time, recognizing a probably bundled up Smollett and deciding to attack him?


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22 Mar 2022, 3:07 am

cyberdad wrote:
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If it turns out he actually "faked a hate crime," I feel like he should be punished rather severely.


There is the question of his mental state. People like to crucify the mentally ill.


Gosh. You are DETERMINED to make Smollett into a martyr, arent you?

By hook, or by crook.

You tried race, and you tried sexual orientation, and now you're telling us that he is being nailed to the cross for all the sins that we all have commited against the mentally ill?

Why dont you just go to the Pope and ask the Pope to canonize St. Jussie as a new literal Martyred saint of the Catholic church?
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What the word "insane" means in law is not quite the same as what it means in clinical science. And they are both not quite the same as in common usage. The issues get murky here. In some sense he probably is "mentally ill". Otherwise he wouldnt have done this hoax.

The deadpan comedian Richard Wright quipped "i got a parking ticket. I plead insanity".

Smollett is not John Hinckley (facing the death penalty, or facing hard time for life) because he shot a POTUS.

He is more like Richard Wright. Facing a small penalty for a smaller crime. So its kinda laughable to plead insanity to protect him.

But even if his lawyers, or fans (like you), are to invoke insanity, then he would have to own up and admit that he perpetrated the(admittedly insane, and inane) crime first. You cant have it both ways- insist that he didnt do it, AND insist that he is "not guilty by reason of insanity".



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22 Mar 2022, 3:13 am

naturalplastic wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
If it turns out he actually "faked a hate crime," I feel like he should be punished rather severely.


There is the question of his mental state. People like to crucify the mentally ill.


Gosh. You are DETERMINED to make Smollett into a martyr, arent you?



I will answer that...
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Yes, he is... 8)



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22 Mar 2022, 3:24 am

naturalplastic wrote:
But even if his lawyers, or fans (like you), are to invoke insanity, then he would have to own up and admit that he perpetrated the(admittedly insane, and inane) crime first. You cant have it both ways- insist that he didnt do it, AND insist that he is "not guilty by reason of insanity".


errr, not sure where you get the idea I'm his fan? He's out on appeal and is taking somewhat of a risk in not taking responsibility for his actions. I'm not sure how good his lawyer is but I'm assuming they will make some of plea deal and he'll be on probation for a few years so long as he keeps his nose clean.

Secondly he might justify his life is in danger in prison given he won't get protection from the prisoners.

The Sherri Pappini case remains a double standard in that she used money donated from a gofundme page to pay off her fines. She hasn't had to spend one day in jail or pay 1 cent in fines out of her pocket. Would like to see her get the same sentence.



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22 Mar 2022, 3:33 am

cyberdad wrote:
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But even if his lawyers, or fans (like you), are to invoke insanity, then he would have to own up and admit that he perpetrated the(admittedly insane, and inane) crime first. You cant have it both ways- insist that he didnt do it, AND insist that he is "not guilty by reason of insanity".


errr, not sure where you get the idea I'm his fan? He's out on appeal and is taking somewhat of a risk in not taking responsibility for his actions. I'm not sure how good his lawyer is but I'm assuming they will make some of plea deal and he'll be on probation for a few years so long as he keeps his nose clean.

Secondly he might justify his life is in danger in prison given he won't get protection from the prisoners.

The Sherri Pappini case remains a double standard in that she used money donated from a gofundme page to pay off her fines. She hasn't had to spend one day in jail or pay 1 cent in fines out of her pocket. Would like to see her get the same sentence.


Are you suggesting he might hire a couple of Nigerians to beat him up in gaol to gain celebrity and sympathy? :scratch: :mrgreen: