Loch Ness Monster
You can't have "one" creature. There must be a minimum breeding population.
Let's look at Bigfoot. In a certain area there would have to be several hundred Bigfeet at least.
So in the last couple of hundred years no one has ever shot or captured a Bigfoot.
Conclusion: They don't exist.
They might have existed at one time, but not now.
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You can't have "one" creature. There must be a minimum breeding population.
Let's look at Bigfoot. In a certain area there would have to be several hundred Bigfeet at least.
So in the last couple of hundred years no one has ever shot or captured a Bigfoot.
Conclusion: They don't exist.
They might have existed at one time, but not now.
ruveyn
There was at one time a giant ape that lived in north america. I saw something on the history channle about it awhile back anyone able to fill in the name and some of the basic facts I didn't see much past there was one at one time. Thanks
Points to note: It requires more than one creature to have a breeding population, but even just two creatures can create a LOT of other life. In the case of say.. a loch monster, or lake monster.. why should it be taken in isolation? There are plenty of "lake monsters" around the place.. I believe the states has a few, as does Scotland, and I believe Africa is liberally provided with similar. Not all of these lakes are landlocked.. many of them have coastal access.... so to disregard the potential existence of a creature based on its singularity seems a touch narrow-minded.
Secondly.. though the possibility of "nessie" or any of her brethern being some sort of prehistoric throwback is certainly unlikely, or at least low down the scale of possibility, there is no reason to think that she may not be some other hitherto undiscovered lifeform. Even if it transpired to be some form of long-necked seal (picking a random creature that has been mentioned before now..) that in itself would be an interesting discovery.
Thirdly: On the "throwback" or "survivor" front.. Coelecanth anyone? Apparently they've been fishing these "extinct" fish up for years, in great numbers. Just because current science considers a creature "extinct", doesn't mean it IS.
Finally.. the fact that UFOs or Crop Circles may be a complete load of bunk does not automatically invalidate cryptozoology. They are distinct fields.
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I'm not inclined to summarily dismiss the potential for such things to exist as we "discover" new species all the time - some long-know to the locals who look at the scientists with a "yeah, so? old news here" sort of expression.
Here's this http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/ ... gespecies/
10 Strange Species Discovered Last Year
And from this page http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... new-guinea
Lost world of fanged frogs and giant rats discovered in Papua New Guinea
Audio (4min 48sec): Naturalist Steve Backshall on the exploration of a lost world Papua New Guinea, containing 40 undiscovered species
The discoveries are being seen as fresh evidence of the richness of the world's rainforests and the explorers hope their finds will add weight to calls for international action to prevent the demise of similar ecosystems. They said Papua New Guinea's rainforest is currently being destroyed at the rate of 3.5% a year.
Anyway, back to Bigfoot:
My attitude is that I've not heard or seen enough of what to me is the right kind of evidence to allow an absolute final conclusion to be made either way on those bigfoot type critters.
Anything's possible.
And some of it may be quite likely.
But don't be gullible.
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Here's something which has a principle worth applying to the Bigfoot matter:
Extinct New Zealand eagle may have eaten humans
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090911/ap_ ... ller_eagle
BANGKOK – Sophisticated computer scans of fossils have helped solve a mystery over the nature of a giant, ancient raptor known as the Haast's eagle which became extinct about 500 years ago, researchers said Friday. The researchers say they have determined that the eagle — which lived in the mountains of New Zealand and weighed about 40 pounds (18 kilograms) — was a predator and not a mere scavenger as many thought.
Much larger than modern eagles, Haast's eagle would have swooped to prey on flightless birds — and possibly even the rare unlucky human.
Ken Ashwell of the University of New South Wales in Australia and Paul Scofield of the Canterbury Museum in New Zealand wrote their conclusions in the peer-reviewed Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology.
Using computed axial tomography, or CAT, the researchers scanned several skulls, a pelvis and a beak in an effort to reconstruct the size of the bird's brain, eyes, ears and spinal cord.
They compared their data on the Haast's eagle to characteristics of modern predator birds and scavenger birds to determine that the bird was a fearsome predator that ate the flightless moa birds and even humans.
The researchers also determined the eagle quickly evolved from a much smaller ancestor, ...
That Extinction date is interesting:
Say, how long is it, again, the coelacanth has been "extinct"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth
And back to the "Folk Tale" aspect:
Don't know about you, but I'm curious as to what other "folk tales" may someday be supported by science.
Someday we may well nab a Nessie or bag a Bigfoot.
Anything's possible.
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Here's this http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/ ... gespecies/
10 Strange Species Discovered Last Year
Any of them giant primates or giant aquatic animals?
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Here's this http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/ ... gespecies/
10 Strange Species Discovered Last Year
Any of them giant primates or giant aquatic animals?
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To illustrate the principle I'm getting at there;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 105010.htm
ScienceDaily (May 29, 2005) — Two research teams working independently in Tanzania have discovered a monkey that had eluded scientists despite decades of research in the region. The "highland mangabey" is the first monkey species to be described in Africa since 1984.
The entire known range for the highland mangabey totals a mere 28 square miles (73 square kilometers). Due to the combined threats of logging, charcoal-making, poaching and excessive removal of forest resources, this rare animal is at great risk of extinction, and the researchers estimate only a few hundred of the monkeys remain.
Key phrases to illustrate the idea are:
1. eluded scientists despite decades of research in the region
2. entire known range for the highland mangabey totals a mere 28 square miles (73 square kilometers)
3. and the researchers estimate only a few hundred of the monkeys remain.
1.1 - people looking at various things all over the place for a pretty long time hadn't come across it before then
2.1 - lives in a really small zone
3.1 - aren't exactly millions of them running all over the planet
That having happened with a small primate means it could potentially happen with any other critter of whatever size.
Stuff we didn't expect to be does get discovered.
So, investigate to your heart's content.
And if you don't find that, you may even chance across something else, maybe even more important.
Or not.
Smart to not reject things prematurely.
Smart to not gulliblely accept flimsy evidence for something.
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