Mother kills 12yrold autistic son by making him drink bleach

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16 Nov 2010, 2:02 pm

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She had the presence of mind to avoid drinking a lethal level of bleach.



Very true



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16 Nov 2010, 6:09 pm

Goddamn another one.

I wish there could be a Safe Haven for parents of special needs kids, or parents who are mentally ill. They have Safe Havens in USA for infants, at some state approved places. One big problem, is trying to keep people from abusing the service. This of course would have to be strictly regulated. It could be a last resort, where Child Protective has failed.



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16 Nov 2010, 6:27 pm

hmmm..... unsurprising how most of the comments here supporting/not supporting her are based on gender. Disappointing but not surprising. I guarantee EVERYONE right now that she will get off! guaranteed!! She will most likely go to court dressed really pretty, make sure she looks as frail and harmless as possible, then in the court room put on a real boo hoo hoo performance, most likely blame the father somehow, and most (if not all) the people in the jury will go "awww look at her! she is also a victim here too! she doesn't deserve to be punished anymore, she's already been through enough" and then most likely when she walks free, she will sell her story to some women's magazine or go on some chat show and talk about her "harrowing nightmare" and some BS diagnosis will come up that portrays her to be simply "misunderstood" and that will be the end of it. Call me ridiculous of you want but... what about all the other mothers who have gotten away with killing their kids?? Haven't alot of them pretty much fitted all the points i mentioned?? Ofcourse if this was the father who had done it... mental illness or no mental illness, IT WOULDN'T MAKE THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF DIFFERENCE!! EVERYONE WOULD BE CALLING FOR HIM TO BE HUNG FROM THE HIGHEST TREE!! !



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16 Nov 2010, 6:53 pm

Hey Barnie.

I can safely say that my opinion wouldn't be altered one iota if the parent in this case was a father. Also, I'd be very surprised if the woman put on a "boohoo" performance in court, and then went on television sharing her story. I don't know about America, but in the UK, where this crime was committed, criminals are not allowed to profit from their crimes. I cannot think of a single case where a murderer has gone on to develop a tv career. If this sort of thing actually happens in the US, then I'm grateful our laws are different.

Miss Woofalot makes an excellent point, when she says that the use of the adjective "autistic" in this context is prejudicial. Nobody would say that she killed her dyslexic son, or her son with ADHD even, or dyspraxia... Thanks for your observation, MissW.



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17 Nov 2010, 6:02 am

Rabid dogs are destroyed...Do away with this mad woman like you would a rabid dog...so she doesn't kill anyone else.


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17 Nov 2010, 6:12 am

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Ofcourse if this was the father who had done it... mental illness or no mental illness, IT WOULDN'T MAKE THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF DIFFERENCE!! EVERYONE WOULD BE CALLING FOR HIM TO BE HUNG FROM THE HIGHEST TREE!! !


Actually the gender of the parent in question wouldn't alter my view one little bit. I think mental illness is horrible and the people who are mentally ill wouldn't want to behave the way they do given the choice. To emphasize my point I recently read a story in a magazine about a man who killed his wife through mental illness and as horrible as it was, I did feel quite sorry for him. Not because of what he did, but because no one helped him at a difficult time. It was made worse when my father told me he knew the guy and he was normally a very gentle, kind person.

As for her making a profit out of her story, I doubt it. I don't know what the laws are in the UK but very few people who have committed any kind of crime appear in my real life magazines. Her story might come up, but it would be written by someone else and no one would be paid for the story.


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18 Nov 2010, 12:21 am

Oh my god.


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18 Nov 2010, 7:14 am

ok you guys are asuming that mental hospitals are easy way out. In the Us, they are usually put in the nut farm, much like a jail, but you have more supervision, play board games rather than basketball and are usually put there for most of your life. Most jail sentances for murder is alot less time than being commited by court order.

There is a possiblity of the "poor autistic's mom" defense which lets off alot of child killers because there are not enough services...etc etc

But if she is schizophrenic, I doubt they are going to let her loose knowing that voices tell her to kill...she will probably be commited.


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18 Nov 2010, 10:06 pm

But is it so wrong for someone to let someone's life end early, avoiding most of the torture that life will undoubtedly give them?



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19 Nov 2010, 12:05 am

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But is it so wrong for someone to let someone's life end early, avoiding most of the torture that life will undoubtedly give them?


Quite frankly I'd recommend you see a psychiatrist.



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19 Nov 2010, 12:41 pm

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But is it so wrong for someone to let someone's life end early, avoiding most of the torture that life will undoubtedly give them?


Although I am not an advocate for suicide, I would certainly argue that it is very different, morally, ethically, and practically, to let someone die who has chosen that course for themselves than it is to decide to kill another person, and so make that choice for them.

In either case, I would argue against death. But I would say taking the initiative to cause another's death is certainly a step further than simply standing back and letting someone make their own choice. So you have, intentionally or not, confused two very different things here.

When, in addition, the initiative taken involves causing someone's death in a particularly painful and horrible fashion, thus being the active cause of torture inflicted on them, as in the case discussed here, I think your question is utterly off the mark.

A: Yes, I think it is wrong to let someone die, assuming you have the means to save them. (Those who are helpless in a particular situation - for whatever reason - cannot be blamed for "letting" anyone die, obviously.)

B: I certainly think it is wrong - and much more so - to decide yourself to deliberately cause anyone's death.

C: I think it compounds the offense if you decide upon a painful and slow method of killing anyone.


So, despite the lack of relation between your question and the incident under discussion, my reply to you would be, YES, it is wrong. Much more so than your inaccurate summation of the act suggests.


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22 Nov 2010, 3:18 pm

Solipsist wrote:
But is it so wrong for someone to let someone's life end early, avoiding most of the torture that life will undoubtedly give them?


Well, why do they have to go down being tortured to death, if's to be avoided?



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27 Nov 2010, 5:03 pm

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if you read the origanal article here http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/nov/15/mother-autistic-son-killed-bleach you will see that she was mentally ill


She was apparently sane enough to:
A: Make sure he got enough bleach in him that he'd die. Make sure she got little enough that she'd live.
B: Even make that distinction in the call she made: "murdered my son and tried to kill myself".

All of which seems pretty cold and calculating to me.

In any case, it was a horrible, disgusting thing to do.


she probably drank the same amount that she fed to her son but as she is bigger the bleach did not kill her, only her son.

I think it is a sad story all around, for the son and the mother. she obviously needs help.



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01 Dec 2010, 4:18 pm

Any person whom would do such malevolent act in my eyes is not even human and not a mother either..
I can't understand the rational behind many barbaric things that people do these days and all from a psychological perspective and all..