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13 Feb 2012, 8:27 pm

I wish they'd allow marriage soon, let's say next week.

But noooo. The law takes effect in June!

By then there will be so many conservative and religious groups filing lawsuits over this it will be mired in the courts for years.



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13 Feb 2012, 8:31 pm

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Washington State will be number 7!

Funny ... I always thought of Washington State as Number 2 ...



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13 Feb 2012, 8:56 pm

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I wish they'd allow marriage soon, let's say next week.

But noooo. The law takes effect in June!

By then there will be so many conservative and religious groups filing lawsuits over this it will be mired in the courts for years.


Perhaps, perhaps not. As I recall, those idiots had tried to get petitions for a vote on a defense of marriage law here in Washington, which failed miserably. I suspect that as over fifty percent of the Washington state electorate now supports gay marriage, marriage equality has a better chance of surviving here - maybe even if it's left up to a popular vote.

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13 Feb 2012, 10:58 pm

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And Washington Governor Christine Gregoire has just signed gay marriage into law, 2/13/12, just one day before Valentine's Day!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I'm so happy, it got passed.



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14 Feb 2012, 12:10 am

to avoid disappointment, keep the champagne corked and the ice in the box, until after this november and the bible-thumping hypocrites are [god-willing] out-voted by the good people. but somehow i doubt that this will happen, i have next to no faith in the goodwill of the voting public. a nation that could elect shrub two goddamned inexcusable times is capable of all sorts of evils.



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14 Feb 2012, 12:24 am

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to avoid disappointment, keep the champagne corked and the ice in the box, until after this november and the bible-thumping hypocrites are [god-willing] out-voted by the good people. but somehow i doubt that this will happen, i have next to no faith in the goodwill of the voting public. a nation that could elect shrub two goddamned inexcusable times is capable of all sorts of evils.


Yes, but shrub never carried Washington. I sincerely hope you're wrong on this one, friend blabby.
But I fully understand your fear and cynicism.

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14 Feb 2012, 1:21 am

i hope i am wrong also, i'd rather be pleasantly surprised. but i won't hold my breath. i hate to be disappointed, so if i keep my expectations plenty low, i won't have to deal with such too often, at least in theory.



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14 Feb 2012, 1:47 am

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i hope i am wrong also, i'd rather be pleasantly surprised. but i won't hold my breath. i hate to be disappointed, so if i keep my expectations plenty low, i won't have to deal with such too often, at least in theory.


Yeah, I know I should keep my expectations guarded, too. But I must admit, I'm actually feeling excited about my state living up to its' old time legacy of progressiveness, as well as still being ahead of the rest of the country with homosexual rights - and I'm not even gay!

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14 Feb 2012, 1:56 am

^^^
you are a compassionate smart person, a relatively rare combo it seems. as far as me, i'm only "50% [approx.] gay" ;) but i'm 100% in favor of gay folk having all the same rights as straights.



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14 Feb 2012, 1:59 am

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you are a compassionate smart person, a relatively rare combo it seems. as far as me, i'm only "50% [approx.] gay" ;) but i'm 100% in favor of gay folk having all the same rights as straights.


I appreciate the compliment. For what it's worth, I'm married to a bisexual woman, and my best man at our wedding, who I've known since the second grade, is gay. I like to think that that influenced my thinking on the subject.

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14 Feb 2012, 2:21 am

^^^
you sound like a loyal friend, i value loyalty above all else. i'm old-fashioned that way. this brings to my mind a question- if some right-wingers knew a gay person close to them, or discovered that somebody close to them was gay, what proportion of said right-wingers would embrace that gay person as a trusted friend no matter what, versus the proportion that would with prejudice dump them to the curb like yesterday's garbage? on another note, the gingrinch has a gay sister, and reportedly they despise each other, but they put on a good civil act for the media. he treats her like the GOP treats gay republicans, keeping gays at several arms' length. that's no way to treat kinfolk or friends.



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14 Feb 2012, 2:42 am

auntblabby wrote:
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you sound like a loyal friend, i value loyalty above all else. i'm old-fashioned that way. this brings to my mind a question- if some right-wingers knew a gay person close to them, or discovered that somebody close to them was gay, what proportion of said right-wingers would embrace that gay person as a trusted friend no matter what, versus the proportion that would with prejudice dump them to the curb like yesterday's garbage? on another note, the gingrinch has a gay sister, and reportedly they despise each other, but they put on a good civil act for the media. he treats her like the GOP treats gay republicans, keeping gays at several arms' length. that's no way to treat kinfolk or friends.


Nope, it isn't anyway to treat someone close - or even who you had previously voted for. I can remember Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho, who was homophobe extraordinaire, as well as one of the bitterest enemies of liberalism imaginable. When that little trouble of his stemming the Minneapolis airport mens restroom incident happened, all of his Republican colleagues threw him under the bus. While in Spokane, when Mayor Jim West, who had built his career on homophobia, had been caught using municipal computers to pick up on under aged males, ended up losing his job in a recall election. To be sure, while most Spokanites had voted to remove West from office for being a douchey hypocrite and over all sleazebag, there had to have been people who had previously voted for him who figured that they couldn't have a gay man in office. While these guys were friggin' hypocrites to be sure, the fact remains, they had been deserted by their Republican friends and voters when their true sexuality was revealed.
By the way, Rush Limbaugh also has a gay sister. I don't know the current state of their relationship, though.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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14 Feb 2012, 2:56 am

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While these guys were friggin' hypocrites to be sure, the fact remains, they had been deserted by their Republican friends and voters when their true sexuality was revealed.

this brings to mind the 2 competing memes at war for supremacy in our nation right now- cold hard darwinian self-interested individualism, versus the communitarian better angels of our nature- "the way things are" versus "the improved way things could be if enough folks gave a damn"- and over most of the nation, the former is winning.



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14 Feb 2012, 3:07 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:
While these guys were friggin' hypocrites to be sure, the fact remains, they had been deserted by their Republican friends and voters when their true sexuality was revealed.

this brings to mind the 2 competing memes at war for supremacy in our nation right now- cold hard darwinian self-interested individualism, versus the communitarian better angels of our nature- "the way things are" versus "the improved way things could be if enough folks gave a damn"- and over most of the nation, the former is winning.


I sincerely hope our side keeps winning. Or else we're going to be up to our necks with social Darwinists who feign Christianity to justify their horrific ideals.
I bid you goodnight, as my wife and I have a movie and dinner planned for Valentine's tomorrow, and I want to be awake for it. :lol:

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14 Feb 2012, 7:31 am

Well say that to Rick Santorum, he got some nasty reputation last night in Tacoma, apparently he got interrupted at a speech, that tells me Republicans want to make our country re live the 1900s to 1960s, the times when European Underguardments were the thing that protected females from any sexual motivation and supported "True" Family Matters and Christianity like in Western Europe, you know, this angers me Santorum wants something like this, also threatening to ban Porn too.



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14 Feb 2012, 11:04 am

Jeffrey228 wrote:
Well say that to Rick Santorum, he got some nasty reputation last night in Tacoma, apparently he got interrupted at a speech, that tells me Republicans want to make our country re live the 1900s to 1960s, the times when European Underguardments were the thing that protected females from any sexual motivation and supported "True" Family Matters and Christianity like in Western Europe, you know, this angers me Santorum wants something like this, also threatening to ban Porn too.


Not the porn! Not the Po-o-o-o-o-o-o-rn!

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