FBI's new rape definition ensnares TSA'ers as serial rapists

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I think that if I had that job as a TSA agent, I would probably try to make people feel more comfortable by telling them "I'm sorry, I know this is a pain" before I patted them down and probably would try to maybe make a joke or say something amusing while I was doing it to make it not so tense.

I can see why people would think it's a hassle, but nobody is forcing people to fly, everyone knows about these beforehand so nobody is surprised, and it's not like they are just grabbing random people off the street to search.

I say we should all fly in just hospital gowns and this wouldn't be a problem

The average person who is capable of that type of courtesy, is also capable of finding a better job than being a TSA agent.

Personally, I'd rather just accept that the occasional airliner is going to blow up and eliminate the entire TSA/DHS.

Contrary to the claims of visagrunt, you can NOT choose to walk away, or refuse a "pat-down", if you do not want to pass through the nude scanners (and even if you do get exposed to them, you may need to get a "pat-down", afterwards, anyway):

www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-targets-tyner- ... klash.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/n ... ans14.html

www.prisonplanet.com/mom-arrested-after ... ghter.html

http://causewayllc.com/yukaridefense.html


TSA nude scanners cause cancer:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-200921 ... sters.html

www.infowars.com/cancer-surges-in-body- ... -cover-up/

(There also used to be an article about it, in the Montreal Gazette, with concerns from doctors that the scans cause risks for skin cancer, but strangely, the article has now been removed from their website.)


Other TSA sex crime cases:

www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/04/ ... ugh_t.html (rapist's name: Thedala Magee)

www.susiecastillo.net/blog/2011/4/25/my ... ience.html

www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-now-putting-ha ... pants.html


Nude scans and "pat-downs" soon for all forms of transportation:

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/25/napo ... s-transit/ (as I posted about, earlier)

www.examiner.com/article/vipr-tsa-exten ... e-innocent

www.examiner.com/article/it-s-official- ... -u-s-state


Other links:

http://wewontfly.com (a very valuable website, but unfortunately, they may need to add a few things to their name, soon)

http://online.worldmag.com/2010/11/17/s ... ody-scans/

http://todayilearned.co.uk/2010/11/13/c ... e-airport/

www.wrongplanet.net/postt201202.html (another thread that I started, earlier - please contribute to it, if you can)



[Nude scan image removed due to privacy concerns. It was a mistake of mine to post it, uncensored.]

Last edited by Beauty_pact on 19 Jun 2012, 4:18 pm, edited 3 times in total.

So you can't refuse and say "Forget it, I'm not flying I'm going home instead"? They hold you there by force and search you even if you decide to not fly?

I have a huge fear of flying and I would want to be able to back out at any point in time prior to the doors of the plane being shut. And I think you actually can. If I were in line and getting nervous about flying and decided that I didn't want to go through with getting on some gravity defying deathtrap, I can't imagine that they would hold me there to be searched anyway or made to get on the plane.

As a customer you have the right to change your mind at any time, just as they have the right to refuse service to people they feel the need to.

It's private industry not the secret service. We have a choice in the matter as to whether to fly or not.

Sorry to tell you this, but, the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) is a government agency, and the part of the Department of Homeland Security.

Maybe you may be allowed to not board the plane, afterwards (or train, bus, streetcar/tram, cruise ship, etc., in the future), but the nude scans and/or "pat-downs" still are something the TSA'ers are obliged to put you through.

Somehow I just don't believe that.

The last time I flew, I carried a laptop with me. I was picked for a more thorough search, randomly. This lady was rubbing stuff over the laptop and case and took it out to look at it. I wasn't upset at all by that. What upset me was when I asked "What are you looking for?" and she calmly said "Explosives". I yelled "WHAT? EXPLOSIVES? IS THERE SOME RISK NOBODY TOLD ME ABOUT TODAY? WHAT THE HELL?" and I was terrified and she kept having to reassure me because I almost just didn't go, except that I had to get home from a long way away. I kept asking "Oh my God is the plane going to blow up?" I was obviously unfamiliar with this. I remember asking her "If there is some risk of explosives being on the plane I'm on, why aren't you doing this to everybody??" and I was really concerned about the possibility that we could get blown out of the sky. She explained the concept of the random search to me. I did hang around there to ask questions, because I was afraid. Like do they ever find that and if so how often does that happen and does she think it's personally a good idea to fly on that plane, like would she get on it herself.

Nowdays that would be suspicious activity but this was before 9/11 and it freaked me completely out. I wanted them to double check everybody, since I hadn't thought about explosives before only about crashes.

No, I have it absolutely right.

If you don't want to go through a scanner, or have a pat down, then don't enter the security screening area. You are perfectly free to choose not to travel. But once you voluntarily enter the screening area, you have agreed to remain there until you are released.

As for radiation, give me a break. Given the amount of radiation that you are exposed to on board an aircraft, if cancer is your concern, then what are you doing at an airport trying to get on board an aircraft in the first place?

Now, don't get me wrong. I think that the TSA proedures do nothing to enhance the safety of passengers, crews and aircraft. They are pointless and they should be attacked as such.

But calling them sex crimes makes the crier look like Chicken Little, perpetuating inaccuracy, hyperbole and ignorance. All you are serving to do is to make yourself look ridiculous, and by extension reinforce the position of the TSA within the transportation industry.

There are TSA agents who abuse their authority, and they should be properly tried for this abuse. But the misconduct of some does not serve to invalidate the entire system. That can only come from the demonstration that the nature and scope of the system is a patchwork of holes that does not protect that which it was intended to. Turn your energy to that, rather than spouting the ridiculous.