The UK is turning into a third world country

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04 Nov 2012, 4:40 am

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Can the LDs present themselves as a viable alternative to disaffected Tories who would never vote Labour?


Not a chance in hell, because they're seen as just a part of the coalition and responsible for all the bad stuff that's gone on. They'd have to be very pro-EU Tories and I just can't see that happening. I can't think of anyone who has a good word to say about the LDs.

Most of the disaffected Tories will simply not vote or go to UKIP.



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04 Nov 2012, 9:15 pm

Yes, menacing men in sunglasses are going to come and drag you bodily from your homes while Eastern Europeans watch and laugh.
How exactly are you going to be "turfed out of your homes", and what on Earth would the government have to gain by making large sections of the population homeless?


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07 Nov 2012, 12:20 am

Most of the imigrants that I have seen are far more Likely to set up their own business than 'take British jobs'.
On an earlier point of lack of jobs for graduates. Most of that comes down to the type of degree that you have gone for and your willingness to move for work. Doing a degree in accountancy is a better for enployment currently than history would be.
People need to learn to make use of the fact that there is free travel within the EU, my friend has a degree in engineering and is working in Austria for a firm that have paid him to come out there.



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07 Nov 2012, 2:47 pm

I'm an Eastern European in the UK and I ain't got no house ;__;

I've been stealing your jobs for years though... moahahahaaa!! !

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07 Nov 2012, 8:49 pm

Labor supports the poor 8O thats labor spelt with out a U. (Don't get me started)

I don't think England has accepted they lost it's empire. And never will, you do realise (a bit before your time) England was known as the sick man of Europe, so it seems it's just going back to what it does best.


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08 Nov 2012, 9:59 am

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All us average British people are all going to be turfed out of our houses in years to come, so that our houses can be given to people from Eastern Europe. Nothing against those people, they are good people but for the government to do this to British people who are too poor to buy our houses, it is practically discrimination against us.

f***ing government I hate it, I have David Cameron, we've got another 3 years of him destroying this country until (hopefully!!) some other government gets in, I just hope and pray it's going to be labour because they at least support the poor, where as f***ing tory government supports the rich.

Listen to this song. f**k you, David Cameron, I hope you f***ing DIE, f***ing rich bastard!! !! !! !! !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTtYx2OHc


You Brits won't be alone. The U.S. is rapidly going down the same road.

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08 Nov 2012, 7:16 pm

"cool britannia" isn't working out as the friend of the poor (the vacuum cleaner door to door sales person ) aka Blaire imagined, soon Jeremy Clarkson (Top Gear) :D will have no other insults for countries like France if things continue to pan out as you say it will I guess he'll just continue to torment them by accusing them of being communists I suppose. :roll:

Or redirect his insults to us :wink:


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23 Nov 2012, 1:21 pm

If you want to get Britain back to the good country that it used to be in the 80's, I would personally vote for UKIP or the BNP.



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23 Nov 2012, 1:42 pm

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Here is the problem. Notice how the major parties have shifted toward more the economic right and toward more authoritarian policies? They're is no one to care about the poors anymore. :(


This happens in every country that has FPTP. Without a proportional representation system there's no way to anchor the parties to their constituent's views and hold them truly accountable. So instead, they tend to represent business interests. If all the parties drift to the right, you can't simply abandon them for a new, more left wing party like they can in Germany or New Zealand. You just have to live with it.



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09 Dec 2012, 9:16 am

It all comes down to divide and conquer. Natives and immigrants are actually the same group - people living in an area bounded by an artifical border that only exists in abstraction. (OK maybe not Britain, as it is an island....)

I'm not a conspiracy theorist as I know there are simpler processes that cause the following - but how great is it for the haves to have the havenots fighting amongst themselves as to who is to blame?

There is no blame, immigration doesn't displace jobs except in the brief assimilation period (10-20 years usually). Politicians and civil servants necessarily make decisions based upon the statistical analysis of the demographics and economy, which nearly always (correctly) predict an overall benefit to the economy in the long run. Hence policy. Tie that in to other political considerations - such as the EU free-border ideal that we are signed up to (as a consequence of the prior British ideal of free trade that the empire was built upon that lingers on in the modern capitalist world), and the result is the policy we have.

Add in a dash of ineptitude, political in-fighting and a plethora of far-too-powerful pillocks like Rupert Mordoch with their own selfish agendas and you have the ingredients necessary to cause divisiveness amongst sub-groups that in reality would better-protect their interests by working together.

Basically if one feels that immigration in the UK is a problem rather than an asset, I believe one has been brainwashed by the Daily Mail or similar.



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10 Dec 2012, 8:50 am

Joe90 wrote:
All us average British people are all going to be turfed out of our houses in years to come, so that our houses can be given to people from Eastern Europe. Nothing against those people, they are good people but for the government to do this to British people who are too poor to buy our houses, it is practically discrimination against us.


I live in Cornwall.
Poor people here (and even people on a moderate income) have a hard time getting a home because many houses get bought as second homes by wealthy Brits. Or rented out as second homes by wealth Brits. Renting here is as unaffordable as buying. But that has nothing to do with Eastern Europeans.

And I get sick and tired of people who think that because they happen to be born in a certain place they have more rights than others.
Every individual has the right to pursue a fulfilling life, no matter where they come from.



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10 Dec 2012, 12:24 pm

Cinnamon wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
All us average British people are all going to be turfed out of our houses in years to come, so that our houses can be given to people from Eastern Europe. Nothing against those people, they are good people but for the government to do this to British people who are too poor to buy our houses, it is practically discrimination against us.


I live in Cornwall.
Poor people here (and even people on a moderate income) have a hard time getting a home because many houses get bought as second homes by wealthy Brits. Or rented out as second homes by wealth Brits. Renting here is as unaffordable as buying. But that has nothing to do with Eastern Europeans.

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What would you propose. Free Housing. Experience has shown that "free" housing is very quickly run into the ground by people who have no stake in the place in which they dwell. Free Housing is a quick trip to Ruined Housing.

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11 Dec 2012, 4:02 am

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What would you propose. Free Housing. Experience has shown that "free" housing is very quickly run into the ground by people who have no stake in the place in which they dwell. Free Housing is a quick trip to Ruined Housing.

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I'm not sure what you are talking about, ruveyn? What is this about free housing?
The problem in Cornwall is that both rental and buying costs are far too high for people on low incomes, because houses here are so sought after as second homes for wealthy Brits, who can afford to pay a lot more than ordinary people. So what is happening now is that houses that come up for sale or as private rentals are too expensive for the people who actually work here.
Which means that there are a LOT of second-home owners while the lower paid work force don't even have a first home.



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11 Dec 2012, 4:43 pm

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I don't think Labour will help - the mess we're in is the mess they left us in last time. Cameron is not brilliant, I agree, but Tony Blair is the one I hold responsible. Houses were affordable pre-1997!


Forgive my ignorance, please. What did Blair do to raise the price of housing in Britain?

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11 Dec 2012, 6:22 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Cinnamon wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
All us average British people are all going to be turfed out of our houses in years to come, so that our houses can be given to people from Eastern Europe. Nothing against those people, they are good people but for the government to do this to British people who are too poor to buy our houses, it is practically discrimination against us.


I live in Cornwall.
Poor people here (and even people on a moderate income) have a hard time getting a home because many houses get bought as second homes by wealthy Brits. Or rented out as second homes by wealth Brits. Renting here is as unaffordable as buying. But that has nothing to do with Eastern Europeans.

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What would you propose. Free Housing. Experience has shown that "free" housing is very quickly run into the ground by people who have no stake in the place in which they dwell. Free Housing is a quick trip to Ruined Housing.

ruveyn


Nice try Singapore , Hong Kong, , Sweden, Switzerland (and than some) .


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12 Dec 2012, 9:17 am

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Nice try Singapore , Hong Kong, , Sweden, Switzerland (and than some) .


Aussiebloke, do those countries provide free housing? For who do they provide that and why? I'm just asking be cause I am interested - I had never heard of that before.